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Osborne proves self deluded.

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by izz, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. magneze

    magneze mnemonic beef

  2. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    He's a fucking arsehole. He tries to present himself as a fearless campaigner for truth and justice, but it's difficult to hear him very clearly while he's gagging* on oily** neoconservative CIA cock***

    **also metaphorical
    ***metaphorical. And satirical, obviously.
  3. frogwoman

    frogwoman Whatever's meant to go here.

    wtf? is it me or has paxman got more and more mental as he's got older or i've got older or both?
  4. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    See above. He's a fully-paid-up member of the idle, selfish rich, aka British-American Neoconservatism.
  5. teqniq

    teqniq DisMembered

    yea i gave up on paxo some time ago
  6. PlaidDragon

    PlaidDragon We don't need money to have a good time

  7. stavros

    stavros Well-Known Member

    I'm sure it won't happen, but there looks to be reason to force Osborne out, given that he's either lying or totally incompetent.
  8. two sheds

    two sheds not as daft as i look

    If they were the only criteria the whole fucking lot of them would go. :)
  9. izz

    izz life's too short to be normal

    Well this is the thing that boils my head; he does, of course, know that the richest people pay very little tax because he's chancellor of the exchequer and even he must read the papers every now and then. So what does he gain politically by saying he's "shocked and appalled" ? It doesn't make any political sense to me, far better say, to pretend to bow to public opinion and announce an inquiry or vow to bring in tougher rules or whatever.

    He's proved himself a clumsy politician.
  10. Teepee

    Teepee like livewire voodoo

    I heard that treatment for smokers far outweighs their tax contributions
  11. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Well you are wrong. Smokers taxes vastly outweighs the costs of their treatment on the NHS. Many many times over. In fact the last time I looked, the excess of smoking taxes over costs was enough to fund 10% of the whole NHS.
  12. Teepee

    Teepee like livewire voodoo

    Cool. Any idea where I can find a link to the evidence for this? It would be good to show to the doctor who told me otherwise.
  13. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    I don't know if there are more recent stats available, depends if the budget document spells it out or hides it in other figures.

    Anyhow I got it from some time ago :

    [from about 2000 [2]] the UK Government raises more than £8 billion in smoking duties and taxes.
    Smoking costs the NHS up to £1.7 billion each year" [1]
    So smoking revenue covers NHS smoking costs with excess of £6.3 billion clear profit per year.

    [1] Source: Department of Health report "Smoking Kills..”
    [2] Source: HM Treasury Budget March 2000.
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  14. Ax^

    Ax^ Silly Rabbit

    please do post links

    my oldest friends is a doctor (whom every time we meet bums smokes and blames me for his actions ) and his missus is a f2 (preachy non smoker) would love to tell them both to get to fuck over the subject


    well unless of course I die from smoking :(
  15. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Plus of course, which I was unable to calculate, smokers tend to die younger than non smokers so the state has to pay less in old age state pensions, which is another saving to the state. Though it beats me how to work out what this value in saving actually is.
  16. Teepee

    Teepee like livewire voodoo

    Good data, thanks :)
  17. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    Edit: already done above.
  18. tommers

    tommers Yourdisco needs you

    He was trying to say that rich people were getting away with it under Labour's rules but that he's tightened it up in the last Budget and that's why he was "shocked" (he wasn't really, he was exaggerating to make a point.)

    But it backfired quite spectacularly. People blame the rich, not the system, and so he ends up looking like a prime tool.
  19. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    "has a reputation as a master political strategist" acording to nick robinson and other political hacks.

    Fuck knows why. He's hugely arrogant, utterly charmless and politically incompetent - not a winning combination really.
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  20. izz

    izz life's too short to be normal

    But rich people have got away with it for aeons, including several tory parliaments, so yes you're all quite right, he is a prime tool. If I stop trying to find logic or sense in anything he says I'll save a fortune on the nurofen. Huzzah :D
  21. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    "Master political strategist."

    We talk about virtual reality: the rich have had it for years.
  22. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    It has been posted before but what the heck
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  23. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    According to JK Galbraith if you feed enough oats to the horses, sparrows will get enough to live off too.

    Why not get rid of the horses and feed the sparrows directly?
  24. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    Because then the maggots don't get to feed on the horseshit.
  25. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    Gideon's rotting corpse would feed a few.
  26. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    hmm what kind of parents would call their sprog Gideon anyhow ... ?
  27. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    Ones who knew he wasn't going to the comprehensive I went to, that's for sure.
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  28. UrbaneFox

    UrbaneFox None, at present

    He's bored with Newsnight. Fact.
  29. Rogue_Leader

    Rogue_Leader Almost not completely ignorant.

    I don't use Twitter very much any more, but it strikes me that some of the posters in this thread might like to follow @Gideon_Osboner

    This isn't my account, and I don't know the guy who owns it, so please don't accuse me of pimping Twitter accounts. I just think he's funny and appropriate.
  30. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    From what I've heard, that reputation comes mostly from the fact that he's adept at charming journalists and others he can use, and his press secretary is very good at screening him from any scrutiny that might show Gideon in a bad light.
    A kind of 2nd-rate Gordon Brown, if you will. :)

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