okay wreckhead, I appreciate where you are at. But consider this - what seems sane, and what seems like bonkers insanity simply depends on where your tent is pitched. So what seems quite unremarkable to me may seem bonkers to you, and what seems unremarkable to you may seem bonkers to others. And there's other stuff which seems bonkers to me. The solution to all this is to recognise that this is all fine, free discussion is good, we are each just making up our own minds (well some of us are, anyway).