Origins Of A Film Cliché?

[kyser_soze]

I'm working on it. According to a mate who knows about this stuff it even has a specific name which they learned in film school but can't remember, so now I'm possibly going to look up some film-type terms and see if it's there...

 

[Pieface]

Rock soundtrack or sweeping ochestral?

orchestral obvs
That aria that they used in PLATOON

 

[elevendayempire]

Isn't that shot taken directly from the comic? Which was published in the mid-80s, so can't be said to be lifting from Shawshank.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm working on it. According to a mate who knows about this stuff it even has a specific name which they learned in film school but can't remember, so now I'm possibly going to look up some film-type terms and see if it's there...

It's called the golden shower,

I doubt there's a name for the content of the shot -they might use examples of how to do a shot from there or something.

 

[Endeavour]

It's called the golden shower,

I doubt there's a name for the content of the shot -they might use examples of how to do a shot from there or something.

I'll just do a search for it on google images then.

 

[mrsfran]

An early filming of King Lear maybe? It's the typical pose for the "Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks" speech.

 

[butchersapron]

I'll just do a search for it on google images then.

Bound to turn up something interesting

 

[kyser_soze]

That may be somewhere a fixed shot was used, but I think EJs talking about it being a tracking shot, with the camera being fairly dynamic - something they wouldn't have had in the early years of cinema, certainly not the 1930s...

 

[DotCommunist]

jesus did it during his whole 'Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will' bit in the Garden of Gesthemane

 

[Santino]

jesus did it during his whole 'Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will' bit in the Garden of Gesthemane

He was a right old drama queen.

 

[kyser_soze]

jesus did it during his whole 'Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will' bit in the Garden of Gesthemane

He didn't have a camera on a Jimmy Jib tracking up when he said it tho.

 

[mrsfran]

He was a right old drama queen.

Not just a drama queen, a total fucking martyr too. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? Oh fuck off.

 

[The Groke]

Ooh - can I hijack this thread to ask about the birth of a film/TV cliche I was thinking about the other day?

No?





Well I will anyway:

The scene used to represent a long lonely night or a heavy night boozing whereby the protagonist walks towards the camera against a blacked out background whilst neon signs for various dives float past..?

Where was that born? Is it just a noir trope?

 

[El Jefe]

hmm... definitely noir trope, but may well be older.. Is it in The Lost Weekend?

 

[HAPPY CHEF]

Couldn't it just be a really good shot that's pleasing to the eye and not have any meaning beyond that?

 

[El Jefe]

Couldn't it just be a really good shot that's pleasing to the eye and not have any meaning beyond that?

i wasn't looking to ascribe meaning, i'm just curious about the origins of a much-pastiched shot, same as the aforementioned Odessa steps sequence.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's deffo Platoon. I'm calling Mark Kermode.

Yeah, but what are you calling him?

You're thinking of Willem Dafoe's death scene, I reckon.

 

[Orang Utan]

i'm sure there's a jimmy cagney film with that shot in it.
it's also in raising arizona with john goodman and bill forsythe emerging from the muck after escaping prison - great shot!
come to think of it, isn't the platoon shot a recreation of audie murphy's posturing in to hell and back?

 

[Gromit]

Yeah, but what are you calling him?

You're thinking of Willem Dafoe's death scene, I reckon.

1986

1928

 

[Orang Utan]

1928

 

[kyser_soze]

I've thought of another one:

The use of a burning oil drum with some tramps around it used to signify either:

1. That the hero has walked into the wrong part of town

2. Post-apocalypse living

 

[El Jefe]

I've thought of another one:

The use of a burning oil drum with some tramps around it used to signify either:

1. That the hero has walked into the wrong part of town

2. Post-apocalypse living

i think that's a cliché based in reality though - rough areas would have such scenes.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The one that bugs me is the map with the animated line on it showing you our hero's journey as a cheapo bridge between two scenes set in widely disparate locales. It's used in the Indiana Jones movies, but where did it come from originally?

 

[butchersapron]

The one that bugs me is the map with the animated line on it showing you our hero's journey as a cheapo bridge between two scenes set in widely disparate locales. It's used in the Indiana Jones movies, but where did it come from originally?

Powell and Pressburgers I Know Where I'm Going might be one of the earlier (and most creative) examples. I'll edit in a clip later.

 

[mauvais]

The one that bugs me is the map with the animated line on it showing you our hero's journey as a cheapo bridge between two scenes set in widely disparate locales. It's used in the Indiana Jones movies, but where did it come from originally?

What came first, this or the inflight entertainment system of a BA 747?

Anyway the one in the OP is meticulously described here: Redemption in the Rain - TV Tropes

and presumably with the right search terms so is yours.

 

[mauvais]

Travel Montage - TV Tropes in fact.

 

[8den]

Travelling by montage is the fastest way to get anywhere

 

[DaveCinzano]

Travelling by montage is the fastest way to get anywhere

Montage is the fastest way of doing most things - finding lost cats, having a wedding, tooling up for another new day dealing with the zombie apocalypse...

 

[mauvais]

Montage is the fastest way of doing most things - finding lost cats, having a wedding, tooling up for another new day dealing with the zombie apocalypse...

 

[Sirena]

Yeah, but what are you calling him?

You're thinking of Willem Dafoe's death scene, I reckon.