Operation Trojan Horse

[likesfish]

Brightons getting a happy clappy free school regardless of being a pretty godless town

 

[DotCommunist]

on the suspicion and surrounding a school trip to Saudi Arabia- saudi money is known to fund very doctrinaire madrassas throughout the world. Thats not to say there is a sinister house of saud agenda here or anything so silly- but thats where the paranoia would spring from imo.

I think thats why that one was flagged up as dodge. We went to Normandy in year nine and visited all the places of the fallen etc. INDOCTRINATION INTO EMPIRE VALUES ERMAGHERD.

 

[quiquaquo]

The very wealthy...... at a guess...

Presumably the kids went on an Umrah package deal, probably £750 a head plus. At least they get to see people from all over the world and gain a sense of internationalism however mistaken a context some may see that to be.

 

[8115]

"British values" ffs.

 

[Combustible]

on the suspicion and surrounding a school trip to Saudi Arabia- saudi money is known to fund very doctrinaire madrassas throughout the world. Thats not to say there is a sinister house of saud agenda here or anything so silly- but thats where the paranoia would spring from imo.

The allegations are also that non-muslim staff and students were not allowed on the trip, which was at least partly paid for by the school. Which would be the case if it was part of a pilgrimage that non-muslims are not permitted to attend. It is certainly not a good thing that a school was spending large amounts of public money on school trips which excluded non-muslim students.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Presumably the kids went on an Umrah package deal, probably £750 a head plus. At least they get to see people from all over the world and gain a sense of internationalism however mistaken a context some may see that to be.

You can see people from all over the world at home .....

£750 is a lot of money for most people. ...

 

[Sweet FA]

Eurgh. The slimy cunts. Just watched the news. Gove has been desperate to fuck Ofsted over since Wilshaw criticised him over academies and free schools. Now he's managed to use racism and anti-muslim feeling to provoke a focus on Ofsted. He'll now say that May's alright and doing a good job, (sorry about the row); it's actually Ofsted who aren't fit for purpose. Well, Wilshaw isn't...

Who knows the truth yet re: how religious those schools are/have become but this 'story' is political manoueuvring from that cunt Gove. He wants the leadership and this is just more 'I'm a strong man despite the fact that I look like a small dick' bullshit. Cameron's slapdown was shit. Loads of Tories/Telegraph/Mail readers will love it.

 

[quiquaquo]

You can see people from all over the world at home .....

Not the wonder of the Ummah in Al-Masjid Al-Haram you can't!

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Not the wonder of the Ummah in Al-Masjid Al-Haram you can't!

You didn't mention buildings though .. only people and a sense of internationalism....

Presumably the kids went on an Umrah package deal, probably £750 a head plus. At least they get to see people from all over the world and gain a sense of internationalism however mistaken a context some may see that to be.

I still think it's a lot of money for a school trip.

 

[Dr Jon]

This is an ideal opportunity to legislate to decouple superstitious fuckwittery from education once and for all.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Umm... the BBC's article is titled, 'Trojan Horse: Ofsted says schools were targeted' and goes on, 'The Ofsted chief said there was evidence of an "organised campaign to target certain schools".' so it would seem that the letter was not fake.

Btw, this:

'The Ofsted chief said there was evidence of an "organised campaign to target certain schools".'

does not logically imply this:

so it would seem that the letter was not fake.

And in fact, the BBC have just this second on News 24 stated that the letter is - quote - "widely believed to be a hoax".

We have to be careful about distinguishing between what words signify on an emotive level, and what they actually mean if we dig into the facts. It seems to me that this whole incident is really about inappropriate religious conservatism, but instead it is being framed by politicians and the media as being about 'extremism', 'islamism', 'plotting' and 'infiltration.

The topic is serious and needs to be treated as such. Instead it is being undermined by loaded terms and veiled prejudice. As far as I am concerned we need to take all religion out of schools. I mean for fucks sake, how did it ever become acceptable to let 'faith' become part of a child's education? Faith is the opposite of science and reason. A 'faith school' is a contradiction in terms.

 

[catinthehat]

http://ioelondonblog.wordpress.com/...artnership-and-trust-are-what-are-needed-now/

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd still rather send my kids to a muslim-run school than a catholic-run school.

Indoctrination can be undone or resisted, buggery less so.

no one i know who went to a convent school was buggered by the nuns

 

[quiquaquo]

You didn't mention buildings though .. only people and a sense of internationalism....

It refers to the mass of people, not the complex of buildings. Surely that was obvious?

 

[brogdale]

Harris making some sense in the Guardian...

Even if many of the 21 institutions at the centre of the story remain maintained schools, that is actually part of the same story: of local authorities' education departments being hacked down and pushed back until meaningful oversight becomes all but impossible. In that context, note the surreal absurdity of one of Gove's apparent answers to Birmingham's problems: forcing all its schools to become academies, a move indicative of the madness that has seized him and his department.

Ultimately religion is a second order issue here. What's most important may be one of the most toxic legacies of this awful government: the fact that from plummeting morale among teachers, through a mounting shortage of primary school places, to the glaring failings of the free schools programme, and now this latest controversy – we have a state education system in a complete disarray. In a story replete with smokescreens and diversions, no one should forget that.

 

[Balbi]

My couple of coppers on it.

http://shinbonestar.org/2014/06/09/extreme-circumstances/

 

[killer b]

Faith is the opposite of science and reason.

while I agree religion has no place in the running of a school, this is nonsense. and in fact the exact kind of emotive bullshit you complain about elsewhere in your post.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

while I agree religion has no place in the running of a school, this is nonsense. and in fact the exact kind of emotive bullshit you complain about elsewhere in your post.

Where did you pull that quote from?

 

[killer b]

hmm, that was actually cynicaleconomy i was quoting. Dunno why it says it was you!

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

hmm, that was actually cynicaleconomy i was quoting. Dunno why it says it was you!

Weird

 

[butchersapron]

What gove's changes have done is set in motion a process of competitive social conservatism (bolstered by top-down official multi-culturalism)under the name of democratic or local consumer control, with damaging consequences now spiralling out of control - for workers, pupils and communities.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Umm... the BBC's article is titled, 'Trojan Horse: Ofsted says schools were targeted' and goes on, 'The Ofsted chief said there was evidence of an "organised campaign to target certain schools".' so it would seem that the letter was not fake.

An "organised campaign" can mean anything from a handful of twits e-mailing each other with ever-more-boastful claims to a well-oiled conspiracy of subversion. If the former, then the letter could quite easily be bullshit produced by an "interested party" (back in the old days, the "interested party" was usually Special Branch).

 

[ViolentPanda]

what the fuck is jon snow banging on about on Channel 4 news - 'why did a group of student go on a trip to Suadi Arabia?"

Because it was the fucking Hajj, Snow, you doughy-faced dog-fucker! It's one of the obligations all Muslims are under, to make the Hajj if they possibly can!

 

[ViolentPanda]

The very wealthy...... at a guess...

From the dusty recesses of my memory, I seem to recall that you have to have attained a certain degree of understanding of the Koran, and be able to recite it wholesale (in Arabic), in order to make the Hajj.

 

[killer b]

What gove's changes have done is set in motion a process of competitive social conservatism (bolstered by top-down official multi-culturalism)under the name of democratic or local consumer control, with damaging consequences now spiralling out of control - for workers, pupils and communities.

I've not really been following the story that closely, but that seems pretty obvious to me, and I'd assume to anyone with half a brain - is this line being pushed anywhere?

 

[butchersapron]

I've not really been following the story that closely, but that seems pretty obvious to me, and I'd assume to anyone with half a brain - is this line being pushed anywhere?

No idea to be honest - intermittent tv/internet/phone atm so well behind on most things right now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

All religion should be banned from schools. IMO

Of course it should.
Unfortunately, given the agenda(s) of the ministerial educational bureaucracy in the UK, that's not going to happen.

 

[treelover]

Because it was the fucking Hajj, Snow, you doughy-faced dog-fucker! It's one of the obligations all Muslims are under, to make the Hajj if they possibly can!

So, why was the public paying some of the costs?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So, why was the public paying some of the costs?

Because schools are publicly-funded, and this "faith school" justified the expense as a core activity for some pupils.
What's hilarious is that if Catholic schools could get away with funding visits to Vatican City at the "taxpayers' expense", they'd be on it like ferrets on a fieldmouse.

 

[Balbi]

Of course it should.
Unfortunately, given the agenda(s) of the ministerial educational bureaucracy in the UK, that's not going to happen.

Nah, it's all about extremism and othering the fuck out of, interestingly, some of the people the Govt need to vote for them next year.