Operation Temperer and threat level critical

[Pickman's model]

that chart cannot pass without comment as it is utter bilge. take the 2016 figure for example:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ata/file/544849/hosb0516-police-workforce.pdf

yet your chart would have it there were about 124,000 frontline cops in 2016.

you're posting lies, mikey mikey.

 

[Pickman's model]

the liar mikey mikey gone all brave sir robin.

how curious.

 

[DotCommunist]

Soldiers guarding Buck House and Downing St.

Bet ya them guns aren't loaded.

soldiers are getting younger.

can't say I am too pleased to see them on the streets.

 

[Pickman's model]

soldiers are getting younger.

can't say I am too pleased to see them on the streets.

 

[kebabking]

soldiers are getting younger.

can't say I am too pleased to see them on the streets.

Excellent choice of Regiment though...

Labour party press officers will be delighted to learn that Twitter has a video of some Corbyn supporter (the bag she wore with his face and 'hope' written on it was the give away...) yelling at the soldiers stationed in Downing Street.

Apparently she's 'the voice of the people', as she told them, and the rozzers, and the tourists, and the people videoing her, repeatedly and at length.

 

[DotCommunist]

Excellent choice of Regiment though...

Labour party press officers will be delighted to learn that Twitter has a video of some Corbyn supporter (the bag she wore with his face and 'hope' written on it was the give away...) yelling at the soldiers stationed in Downing Street.

Apparently she's 'the voice of the people', as she told them, and the rozzers, and the tourists, and the people videoing her, repeatedly and at length.

well if the NI experience is anything to go by once they're on the streets you can't get rid of them for love nor money...

 

[Pickman's model]

well if the NI experience is anything to go by once they're on the streets you can't get rid of them for love nor money...

 

[kebabking]

well if the NI experience is anything to go by once they're on the streets you can't get rid of them for love nor money...

Can't beat a bit of London duty for nocturnal adventures, with the added bonus of no tedious ceremonial bollocks...

 

[bimble]

These soldiers (up to 5,000 of them was it?) where are they being magiced onto the streets from to parade around looking strong and stable? I mean what were they all doing last week?

 

[DotCommunist]

gcse's from that photo

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

These soldiers (up to 5,000 of them was it?) where are they being magiced onto the streets from to parade around looking strong and stable? I mean what were they all doing last week?

What are they doing this week?

Their guns won't be loaded.

The whole thing's a sham.

 

[bimble]

I hope you're right about the guns. Agree its pantomime.

 

[kebabking]

These soldiers (up to 5,000 of them was it?) where are they being magiced onto the streets from to parade around looking strong and stable? I mean what were they all doing last week?

There are a number of barracks in the South East where these soldiers live and work, and last week they would have been training and being held at readiness for operations.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I hope you're right about the guns. Agree its pantomime.

The legal act of handing over control from the police to the army on the mainland is a nightmare. Last time (I think) was the Iranian Embassy siege, that was handing over control to SAS troopers to go shooty in a controlled area. Mayhem's plonked a bunch of squaddies on the streets. They will not be allowed to go around shooting people.

 

[kebabking]

The legal act of handing over control from the police to the army on the mainland is a nightmare...

Doesn't apply, control isn't being handed over, it's still under the civil power (police), the current op is support to the civil power - it's under the same legislation and procedures as the bomb disposal teams work under.

And to be clear, live ammunition has been issued and the rifles are loaded. It would be unwise to think otherwise...

 

[Brainaddict]

This is high-level bullshit. Nothing to do with stopping lone suicide bombers (you can't if they've got an ounce of nous - that's half the point of the tactic) and everything to do with May trying to get a boost in the polls by looking 'strong'. Seems pretty transparent to me - we haven't flooded the streets with soldiers in the wake of previous attacks - so I'd hope it looks pretty transparent to others too.

 

[DotCommunist]

so a bit like when they had to cover for G4S's fuck up at the olympics then. And those times you see them in flooded areas with their tea urns and sandbags.

 

[bimble]

Doesn't apply, control isn't being handed over, it's still under the civil power (police), the current op is support to the civil power - it's under the same legislation and procedures as the bomb disposal teams work under.

And to be clear, live ammunition has been issued and the rifles are loaded. It would be unwise to think otherwise...

Yeah it was made clear that these soldiers would be under the command of the police.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Doesn't apply, control isn't being handed over, it's still under the civil power (police), the current op is support to the civil power - it's under the same legislation and procedures as the bomb disposal teams work under.

And to be clear, live ammunition has been issued and the rifles are loaded. It would be unwise to think otherwise...

Bomb disposal people are not authorised to shoot anyone.

And yeah, course they're armed. Just like the sentries on the entrances to the barracks are

 

[Brainaddict]

so a bit like when they had to cover for G4S's fuck up at the olympics then. And those times you see them in flooded areas with their tea urns and sandbags.

At least in those circumstances they are useful as labour-the-state-is-paying-for-anyway. There's really no use to having them wandering the streets in the hope they find the one bad guy among millions, or happen to be in the right place at the right time to shoot him before he presses a button.

 

[likesfish]

Its Keypoint work doing guard at spots cops either regualry do like no 10 parliment embassys etc or place that would be guarded by cops in an emergancy.
So the "highly trained" cops can patrol places.
The rifles are real and will be loaded standing or walking about bored with a loaded rifle is part and parcel of army life.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh and those tanks at Heathrow, remember them? The tank commanders could shout BANG! at a malfaiteur if they wished, odddly they were not permitted to loose off depleted uranium shells down the M4 spur road.

 

[bimble]

If these are legal terms on which they are doing this, it really is desperately flimsy. I don't understand- did Mrs May have the power to just say she wanted it and it got done?

 

[likesfish]

Bomb disposal people are not authorised to shoot anyone.

RLC they get sticks and not the sharp pointy ones

But at least they arnt Suregeons
Certain people in the military dont touch a firearm from one year to the next but belive they are highly skilled in the use of said firearms this is sadly not the case and when they do visit a range its best to be a long way away

 

[kebabking]

...There's really no use to having them wandering the streets in the hope they find the one bad guy among millions, or happen to be in the right place at the right time to shoot him before he presses a button.

Fortunate that that's not how they're being used then, isn't it?

As would be obvious to anyone who has either read a newspaper, or seen pictures of the deployment...

 

[likesfish]

Oh and those tanks at Heathrow, remember them? The tank commanders could shout BANG! at a malfaiteur if they wished, odddly they were not permitted to loose off depleted uranium shells down the M4 spur road.

They were simitars no DU shell goodness.
Rather crap orders to try to ram sucide car bombs which if your in a challenger2 might spill your tea when two tonnes of semtex goes off. But in an aluminum death trap not really going to do a lot.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They were simitars no DU shell goodness.
Rather crap orders to try to ram sucide car bombs which if your in a challenger2 might spill your tea when two tonnes of semtex goes off. But in an aluminum death trap not really going to do a lot.

Quite. The situation is the same though, a show of force from an impotent PM.

 

[kebabking]

If these are legal terms on which they are doing this, it really is desperately flimsy. I don't understand- did Mrs May have the power to just say she wanted it and it got done?

It's not desperately flimsy, and yes, it's one of the powers of government - the request comes from the Home Secretary to the Defence Secretary and is authorised or not by the PM.

 

[bimble]

It's not desperately flimsy, and yes, it's one of the powers of government - the request comes from the Home Secretary to the Defence Secretary and is authorised or not by the PM.

Does the situation today, but not last week, cover the stated criteria as stated in there do you think?

"There are 3 criteria for the provision of MACA:

1. Military aid should always be the last resort. The use of mutual aid, other agencies, and the private sector must be otherwise considered as insufficient or be unsuitable.
2. The Civil Authority lacks the required level of capability to fulfil the task and it is unreasonable or prohibitively expensive to expect it to develop one.
3. The Civil Authority has a capability, but the need to act is urgent and it lacks readily available resources."

 

[Pickman's model]

The legal act of handing over control from the police to the army on the mainland is a nightmare.

don't know why, being as - as kk has said - the army don't get contol. anyway there are regular 'london prepared' meetings: and other parts of the country will have similar things going on.

the attendance list from the last publicly available minutes: