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'Openly Classist' - are they still around?

who says? do you think everyone working class aspires to be middle class?
see, this is the problem with loaded terms like 'middle class'.

What i'm saying is that capitalism = competition at all levels. Not everyone lucky enough to be able to climb up the greasy pole will do it, but most will.

Rather than acting like classes are separate nationalities its more useful to see class as something decided by economics.
 
i don't agree. i'm sure a lot of working class people dream of what they would do if they won the lottery but that's as far as it goes with them. aspiring to keep your job is more pressing than social advancement.

i've had stick at work for having middle class friends (even though they aren't, really.), i've even gotten sneered at because i did city and guilds in engineering!

in my experience the general consensus is that middle class people are wankers.

yeah, this is the cultural interpretation of class. Its totally fucking useless.

aspiring to keep your job is more pressing than social advancement.
what if everyone else lost their job? What if keeping it = promotion?

It can happen you know.

Or alternatively, middle class people - people with middle class jobs - were all born in Islington and fanned out from there.
 
What bits were 'ok'?

Its a reflection of someones view of the anarchist movement as an insider, it pulls from various angles to show the dossers, middle class idiots, stuntists and drugged out losers who unfortunately do inhabit some quarters of the anarchist movement. Are you saying the piece as no worth?
I mean how much insight and how much can one say about some of the fools who call themselves anarchists? Is it factual? Frankly Im not arsed what his dispute is with some of the fringes of CW, the point is I have at times shared the same conclusions and frustrations (not of the same people necessarily) as what the piece harks on about and thats why Im willing to say it should be looked at more carefully.
 
What bits were 'ok'?

Say it clearly and explicitly. What bits?

You want cut and paste? Sorry its not going to be that interesting, the piece is just a polemic and I sympathised with the experiences. There was the diatribe about drugs in the squat, CW doing a shit action which the author slated, the experiences of m/c liberals in the movement, get a link and I will pull them out.
 
Most of the working class people I know (and I happily admit to being lower middle class if you really think that cultural definitions of class matter) actively want to be better off.

At one time working class people had means to acheive that aim collectively - without resorting to scummy, individualistic corporate-ladderclimbing.
 
One of its members posts here. He is insane.

*that was them right?
1) who?? he he
2) no i think maybe a confusion with an swp smear on CW

p.s. i think they said a lot of good stuff but theoretially they had a big mistkae .. they quite rightly highlighted the role that the middle class play in a class soceity .. but then pretended there was no upper class and said the middle class were the upper class ./')
 
Someone who was involved in anarchist stuff in Sheffield pointed this link out to me. I know it is nearly three years old. But the ill-informed rubbish about Sheffield will go down as history.
Firstly Jeez as his friends called him is living in SE Asia .... yes ..... but servants????? ....... he is teaching English to over 500 kids every week, in an impoverished area ..... he has rice for lunch .... has no flushing toilet and no hot showers.

As to the Anarchist Groups in Sheffield, over the years they had 4 anarchist centres (3 squatted, 1 rented), Numerous magazines including the Sheffield Anarchist.
The had a printing press, publishing 10's of thousand pamphlets under the names Pirate Press, Bash'em Books and B Books. They printed thousands and thousands of leaflets for themselves, as well as printing for other campaigns around the country. They printed and put up more posters than any other local group.
They set up and ran the Anarchist Distribution Service ADS which sent out monthly mailings of leaflets, posters and information from all around the country for years.
They were involved in setting up food co-ops, running a green social space where people like Danbut Nobacon from Chumbawamba used to perform. They put on a play '" The Accidental Death of a Anarchist".
They ran a "Workers Education Assosiation" Course on "Anarchism"
They hosted a few Anarchist Bookfairs in Sheffield, and organised 53 seater coaches to take people to the national Anarchist Bookfairs.
They were involved in the North East Anarchist Federation NEAF, later The Northern Anarchist Network NAN and later the Class Struggle Anarchist Network. Taking a very active role in all these organisations. They hosted many conferences for these organisations and others.
People in the Anarchist Groups were involved in everything from Squatting (the Sqautters group was very closely linked to the Anarchist), Animal Rights, Anti-Nuclear stuff (setting up a Peace Centre in Sheffield), Anti Racist and Anti-Fascist Groups (having a few punch-ups with the fascists who tried to sell papers locally).
The Sheffield Anarchists were very involved in the Anti-Poll Tax Campaign (especially at a community level, but also a City and National level), as well as the local Anti-student Games Campaign.
The Sheffield Anarchist Black Cross Group was very active and did a lot of work locally and with the national ABC.
They had a fantastic library that people could borrow books from (packed away in boxes in Sheffield now).
Various members of the Sheffield Groups were involed in the National Anarchist groups, Sheffield had a Class War group, as well as an Anarchist Federation Group, and the Direct Action Movement DAM.
The main thing with the group, which at some points had over 40 regular attendees at meetings, was that there was so much going on, one was able to choose what you wanted to do. Some focused on ABC and squatting, others ABC Printing and ADS, some were into 'theory' but also took an active role in the running of the Anarchist Centre ....... whatever the individual wanted to focus on. When there was work to do like organising conferences, postering or another campaign of some kind we all came together and worked together.
Phew ...........
So they did more than any other local group. But why stress the positive. Better to just slag them off and say "errrrrrrrr unsavoury characters" "derrr too many middle class people" "derrrrrrrrr he has servants".
 
I forgot to mention, they were the first Anarchists in England to produce "Anarchist Fridge Magnets", they created "Anarchist Top Trumps". And Terry and Jeez were founder members of the "Peter Kropotkins Lonely Hearts Club" along with Ramsey of AK distribution.
 
What a lovely idea, Anarchists strolling through the park walking the dog. Presumably after a pleasant Sunday lunch in the pub. :D
 
Jesus, yes, thats what they, his followers, called him, was not a very nice man: aggressive, controlling, egotistic, and thats the best one could say about him at the time, maybe he has changed...
 
It's a not infrequent occurance to be honest...
Hardly revolutionary or radical though, is it?

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Hardly revolutionary or radical though, is it?
yes because everyone should be rioting or building working class organisation everyday.

My partner and I drove out to a nice country pub for a Sunday roast yesterday, had a bit of a walk up a hill, admired the views and then went home to watch some more of our Battlestar Galactica boxset.

"Anarchists" - don't have to do it all the time.
 
Last week we drove down to Winchester, ate at pizza hut, and then spent a happy few hours exploring the cathedral.
Anarchists do all kinds of stuff.
 
I have an irrational but implacable hatred of Winchester - largely from driving round its one way system in a transit van and getting stuck in roadworks all the time. :mad:
 
My partner and I drove out to a nice country pub for a Sunday roast yesterday, had a bit of a walk up a hill, admired the views and then went home to watch some more of our Battlestar Galactica boxset.
"Anarchists" - don't have to do it all the time.

middle classer! me and my kids shared a cold tin of beans and sausages for sunday dinner then walked round the back lanes looking for bits of scrap metal to weigh-in.
 
yes because everyone should be rioting or building working class organisation everyday.

My partner and I drove out to a nice country pub for a Sunday roast yesterday, had a bit of a walk up a hill, admired the views and then went home to watch some more of our Battlestar Galactica boxset.

"Anarchists" - don't have to do it all the time.

first against the wall, definitely
 
I have an irrational but implacable hatred of Winchester - largely from driving round its one way system in a transit van and getting stuck in roadworks all the time. :mad:
I was working there last summer, that one way system is nearly impossible to navigate. About the best thing in Winchester is the road to Portsmouth
 
am not gannin all the way to stanley to weigh in some scrap! i'll take it to harry quinn he'll give me a good price.
 
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