Open meeting with Directors (Mon. 28/1/19)

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  1. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    I tried to take notes last night, off my own back, from the meeting last night. I may have got some things wrong, apologies for that, I don't do shorthand, nor do I have any journalistic skills, I was just trying to scribble notes down in my notebook.

    If I got anything wrong, please don't shoot the messenger so to speak, but post afterwards to correct it, if you heard different.

    Also: please wait a few minutes, as this will fill several posts, and when the last bit is posted I will add END OF REPORT.

    Please start discussions after that if you want to...and one thing for certain after last night-don't just pose a question on here, approach either TOM CULLEN or BEN CLASPER in person. they are open, friendly & don't bite. You can tell the rest of us the answers to your questions on here, as I believe neither 'Tom Cullen' or 'Ben Clasper' post on here.
     
  2. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Approximately a hundred Hamlet fans gave up their Monday evening last night to pack out the Club House to listen to and ask any questions they liked to two directors of Dulwich Hamlet Football Club, namely Tom Cullen & Ben Clasper.

    Tom & Ben sat at the top table, microphone in front of them, which will be great once they learn how to speak into it properly, but I was sat right near them, so heard what they had to say, if not fully some of the questions from the floor.

    It was a really open meeting, totally honest, with everything answered and “don’t know” being the response when they couldn’t answer.

    This is just my personal take on the meeting, it’s not official minutes of any sort, as none were taken…it was very much an informal meeting open to all.

    THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE I HAVE MIS-UNDERSTOOD SOMETHING, SO PLEASE MAKE COMMENTS TO SAY WHERE I HAVE. THANK YOU.

    They opened with a brief background to the last eighteen months or so, right up to the present, and the meeting also looked to the future as well.

    It was explained how we had had no control over revenue in the past & how the Club was owned by one individual, Nick McCormack, with a holding of over 98% of the shares, but who had no involvement over the day to day running of affairs, which was deferred to a property company first Hadley then Meadow. So they controlled money that came in up until March, when we were forced to play away from Dulwich, at Tooting & Mitcham United. Ben praised Tom & Liam Hickey, who was then Football Club Chairman, working alongside Gavin Rose, the First Team manager, for doing all they could successfully to keep the Football Club going. He also stated it was a period that he believed most other clubs would simply not have got through.

    By September the writing was on the wall, all revenues had been exhausted, and there was also the problem of a lack of enough revenue coming in too. We were not in a position to pay bills, & he said frankly, not to pay the players either. The money from the Football Club coffers, individuals from local businesses, other sponsors, the 12th Man…when auditing the books the money we would need was falling far short of we had.

    It simply would not be possible to be self-sustainable and there was no long-term future unless we got back to Champion Hill. It was explained you couldn’t downsize the budget or the squad as players were contracted until the end of the season & this is where Ben really started getting involved with the Club.

    At the end of September both Meadow & Southwark Council were contacted & a four week plan needed to be urgently instigated to get the Club back to Champion Hill by December, so we could start recouping the losses made during our exile.

    Liam had created a budget that was spot on, in fact Ben commented that when he pored over the figures they were only one pound out!

    The problems weren’t insurmountable, but if investors were going to see a return it wouldn’t happen unless we went home quickly.

    There was a huge amount of working & negotiating behind the scenes with the Council & Meadow, which wasn’t pretty at times, with involvement from the government Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport (DCMS) which was headed by Tracey Crouch at the time. This culminated by being given permission to return home on our own terms in mid-October.
     
  3. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    This in itself was a the start of a major operation to get things ready for whatever our first match back home was, which proved to be against Eastbourne Borough on Boxing Day. But even that was in doubt, as there was so much work to be done to even make the ground the bare minimum fit-for-purpose, with the relevant documents only being signed on 22nd December. The Club were in daily contact with the Council, the Football Association & the National League on a daily basis, & Ben said how indebted he was to the Supporters Trust and all the volunteers who fixed up pretty much everything, including a huge job to sort out the electrics after a horrendous survey.

    There were some hard decisions made, with initial hopes of the Torquay United game on 9th December being our return falling by the wayside, when segregation being needed & all that would be involved with that, commercially wiping out what funds we had.

    So it was Boxing Day, which only got the OK on Christmas Eve, following a total floodlight failure, and that game was very close to not going ahead. He said the Club were indebted to so many people who worked round the clock, where as many changes were made as possible, especially in the bar which he said ‘looks and smells different’!

    He then talked about the immediate future, where on current projections we are totally on course to recoup all of our losses by the end of the current season, all debts have been paid & all losses gone, and we are probably now the only debt free profitable club in the league! Profitable being a relative term, the players have always been paid on time and our tax bills have always been paid on time.

    This meeting tonight, he said, was completely co-incidental with the Meadow pre-planning application engagements at the weekend. He went on to explain that as a Football Club we have had no input into this so far, and he asked them to leave us alone to get through our first few games, but that he had met them today (yesterday 28th Jan.) He remains in close contact with local politicians and the Council.

    It was now time to look forward to the next 125 years rather than the last 25 months.

    The Match Day Football Committee have been brilliant, practically keeping the Club alive living hand to mouth game by game, with the support of all the volunteers, the ‘!2th Man’ scheme & the Supporters Trust. He stated, in his praise: “I don’t think anybody put a foot wrong.”

    Up to the present situation now, he said that Meadow had written off £750,000 of debt, some have called this ‘invented’ some of it maybe, but some of it ‘was auditable debt’. The second legal debt of £300,000 debt regarding the lease on Greendale has also gone, so we now have over a million pounds of ‘debt’ no longer on the books, which we are off the hook for.

    It was asked how much support the new application there is from Southwark Council, & he answered that we don’t know. The pre-application process starts next week. We have the lease to Greendale, not Meadow, Meadow have no say in what we do as a Football Club.

    When we were in negotiation to return home with Meadow & the Council Tom insisted on the Club having control of the Stadium & Bar, as well as asking for the Astro area on Greendale back. We now have leases on both, having tried to get rolling leases. The ground has an 18 month lease, which is the National League minimum, pre-signed, with a 4 year rolling. Ben stated that the current stadium was “not even a medium term solution for this Club.”

    With regard to the new proposals nothing compels us to side with either the Council or Meadow, the most important thing was getting everyone round the table. He said the four hours plus meeting with the DCMS “ wasn’t pleasant but it had to be done”.
     
  4. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Regarding the running of the Club he will be trying to build a bigger Board of Directors, one of whom is just being appointed (I didn’t catch his name)

    The feeling that came across to me was that we will support a new stadium, indeed we need a new stadium, but one that will be asked for on our terms, working with both the Council & Meadow. He was adamant that “Stand off can’t happen again”. He added: “No decision is no future. The Doomsday Clock was at one minute to midnight not ten to midnight.”

    The option is for a new stadium building to be off site, & with a modern 4G pitch. We have to bring the all-weather pitch up to standard by December this year, & this will be done regardless, with any new pitch at the proposed new stadium being the same one, with facilities around it.

    There could be other options on the table to manage a larger site, with pitches on adjoining facilities, & we would also have to look at the possibility of finding other sites in the our Dulwich area footprint for a different stadium as a Plan B.

    If the plans for a new ground next door come about then it would be constructed during the close season, which would allow us to meet ground gradings & would allow us to play at the current Champion Hill without a move. We could then also build up a bit of a ‘war chest’. The only thing we did not forsee in being forced to groundshare was such a drastic drop in attendance figures.

    Whatever happens he stated that we would work with the rest of the local community & have already met with the Friends of Greendale & hope to arrange a meeting shortly with the Friends of Dog Kennel Hill Wood. We will hope to have as much input on the design of any proposals as we can, what we can have on the three sides is down for us to ask for and decide, what varies is the criteria for National League & National League south, never mind Football League.

    The original plans were for a Category B grade, which is ok for this division, but not higher. There are no detailed plans yet, but we hope they will be to our specifications. There are still some natural banks surrounding the all-weather pitch, which are the physical remnants of the terracing from the old stadium, before the last Champion Hill.

    He said he was “not going to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes” and hoped for “objectivity & positivity.” And despite many comments to the contrary there were “many precedents of building on Metropolitan Open Land.”

    There were comments from the floor of whether we could trust Meadow & whether they should come and apologise to the fans for what they had done…

    Ben basically said that Meadow were genuinely sorry for the way things had gone, there had been a lot of animosity but the best way forward instead of protesting and fighting them was to work across the board with them, the Council & local groups to work together, move on & start again. They had acknowledged that things have to be very different & got out of hand. It can’t get that personal again. He said it got the stage in that meeting at the DCMS where they were told that they needed to respect the Football Club or in ten days the Football club wouldn’t be there! The fact is they need our input and we need to drive the design not them. We need to work with all parties to make this work, & he said that only having met them for the first time in October he believed in them & believe that we will get what we need.

    At one point it was asked if Meadow ever said ‘sorry’. To which Ben responded: “Yes they are sorry, there is a sense of affection for this Club from Meadow”…which was met with a fair bit of incredulity
     
  5. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    from the floor! Tom then interjected this was more out of respect for our campaigning, where we took them on & their business partners as well as associates, where we reminded them of the importance of our Club. This was what led to us being allowed to play back here when we got the keys in October, meeting our key basic demands for running the place. Ben later explained that in all the discussions he has had with Meadow Peter Bennison has not been in a single meeting & that he has nothing to do with the new development.

    Again, further on the evening, Ben was asked from the floor ‘Do you trust Meadow?’ His succinct & to the point response was “Yes.”

    He went on to discuss ‘transparency’, of which this open meeting was a very clear example of. There was nothing financially he was not willing to disclose, apart from the individual wage details of players, naturally. Every shareholder will be aware of the financial position come the Annual General meeting, hopefully in May & fans could always come up to speak to him or Tom at any time. But he told us all to make no mistake-“going up meant we are in a very different league financially. Going up means wages go up. We are fan owned through our shareholders, every shareholder is a fan. We do not have rich owners. Going up again in the future would mean serious investment.”

    Someone from the floor asked about the name of the Club & the trademark dispute. He said we will have it back officially, in fact only a few hours before he was receiving the paperwork to have it officially in the Club name.

    There were comments from the floor about the Council stance & Ben explained that we’re not getting into political stuff, and that he hoped everything would be based on planning issues alone. The fact was, he went on, was that the current building was not fit for purpose, and that we had just been papering over some serious cracks.

    It was asked, of the current ground, if some temporary steps could be added, maybe along the sides? Tom said that various rough costings had been made, as the Club were more than aware that some people were not fully enjoying the games. The first immediate priority was for more toilets, which had now been achieved, with thanks to the hard work put in to sourcing them from Duncan Chapman, the Chair of the Supporters Trust. There is a need to alleviate the lack of terracing problem , which leads back to the current ground not being fit for purpose. We are just about coping with the current crowds we get & there are small ways to improve the steps, which is the next priority. Those present were then informed it only takes four days for concrete to dry. And we were also told that part of the reason the Torquay game was no rushed in. back at Champion Hill, was that the costs were prohibitively eye watering for even a small temporary stand…which was just for that one game & not as it sounded like cost-wise, as a quote for the rest of the season!

    We were also informed that all licencees, like the gym, church hire on a Sunday, car wash, & so on were with us, not with Meadow, or any subsidiary of theirs.

    More discussion flowed between the floor & the top table, and it was reiterated how much work people were putting in to make a matchday go so smoothly, & how much input there was from certain individuals to make the ground fully National League compliant by March.

    With regard to the new ground once more, Ben emphasised that we will push for what we all want & also posed what we actually want in this short amount of time. Was it a ground for this level? And/or the one above. Or even the Football League. He said whatever we aimed for it was a totally different ball game & that he wished he had a crystal ball. He explained we are not necessarily building for three thousand, in recent times two thousand was our average Saturday gate & with less midweek matches in our current division, so it’s a bit
     
  6. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    easier to predict, it could probably even be above that. We could ask for a minimum Category A grade, which would show a path where we can increase to four thousand in the future, or a path up to five thousand. Whatever improvements we ask for in the future would have to be down to the community.

    Conversation turned to revenues. And there was no reason why we could not be sustainable. The budget for everything, is around £38,000 a month. Last week it was better than that, Dave, the new bar manager has been doing a really good job. The most we’ve brought in is £42,000. Ben said if we had to budget less he believed it could work on £25,000. Things have now stabilised after the hard work of getting everything ready in November & December, and having staged our first few home games. People are paid monthly, and you can expect two home games on average a month. It’s not just the team on the pitch that have to be in the monthly budget. There are a team of 35 people off the pitch who need to be paid on a matchday to ensure everything runs smoothly, including stewards, where we had no less than 18 for the first game to ensure things went as well as we could hope. We even made a donation to Barking as we spent more than they earnt on the gate! But Ben was confident we can ‘build a decent enough war chest’; saying that the average wage bill for National League South was around £250,000 a year, and approximately three quarters of a million pounds for an average one in the National Division.

    He also went on to praise Gavin Rose, who he said could not build the squad he necessarily wanted from the moment we got promoted, not knowing if we would still be around as a Football Club two months into the season. As it stands, from a forecast of a £300,000 deficit based on the attendances we ended up getting at Tooting if projected to the end of the season, we now have £3,500 in the bank.

    There was talk of the future, with hopes of more directors to come on board, as well as negotiating with the Trust to come on board with the directors. This meeting was seen as an important way to open up to the fanbase, now that the last three months have been got through the dust can settle with everyone starting to look forward with more hope. He said we’re lucky to have a fanbase with such an incredible set of skills, not just from the Dulwich area, and to not utilise and exploid that would be mad.

    Someone asked about the role of former majority shareholder Nick McCormack. Ben said that in September the ‘12th Man’, the Supporters Trust & him personally funded the players’ wages. It had been agreed that 75% of his stake would be transferred to a new shareholding company, with the plan for it to be owned by the directors which would be Liam, Tom & Gavin, though Gavin decided not to due to a conflict of interest, which was fair enough. In October we couldn’t pay the players again, so as McCormack still owned 255 of the main company shares we asked Nick to pay, which he couldn’t fun & as a result he offered the majority of the remainder, a few we agreed him holding onto for ‘old times sake’, but he is not longer a Director, just a minor shareholder.

    All shareholders & directors are listed at Companies House for anyone to check.

    Ben went on to say he won’t over capitalise the shares, and would be suggesting that any not purchased by the end of the season be offered to the Supporters Trust to increase their shareholding.

    The talk went back to the new 4G pitch & the top table were asked if Meadow would be funding this. They had not be asked to, but there was no harm in trying…but we have investment plans in place for this & that Sport England said that the costs would be recouped ‘in no time at all’.
     
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  7. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    There was talk of the future, with hopes of more directors to come on board, as well as negotiating with the Trust to come on board with the directors. This meeting was seen as an important way to open up to the fanbase, now that the last three months have been got through the dust can settle with everyone starting to look forward with more hope. He said we’re lucky to have a fanbase with such an incredible set of skills, not just from the Dulwich area, and to not utilise and exploid that would be mad.

    Someone asked about the role of former majority shareholder Nick McCormack. Ben said that in September the ‘12th Man’, the Supporters Trust & him personally funded the players’ wages. It had been agreed that 755 of his stake would be transferred to a new shareholding company, with the plan for it to be owned by the directors which would be Liam, Tom & Gavin, though Gavin decided not to sue to a conflict of interest, which was fair enough. In October we couldn’t pay the players again, so as McCormack still owned 255 of the main company shares we asked Nick to pay, which he couldn’t fun & as a result he offered the majority of the remainder, a few we agreed him holding onto for ‘old times sake’, but he is not longer a Director, just a minor shareholder.

    All shareholders & directors are listed at Companies House for anyone to check.

    Ben went on to say he won’t over capitalise the shares, and would be suggesting that any not purchased by the end of the season be offered to the Supporters Trust to increase their shareholding.

    The talk went back to the new 4G pitch & the top table were asked if Meadow would be funding this. They had not be asked to, but there was no harm in trying…but we have investment plans in place for this & that Sport England said that the costs would be recouped ‘in no time at all’.

    The meeting had been extremely open, honest and no question ignored, and it was now drawing to a close. Ben hoped to hold one maybe every couple of months, with an Annual General Meeting for shareholders in maybe the first or second week in May. He reiterated how he wanted everything to be transparent, and that he & Tom were always approachable at any game to answer any question from any fan. On the new ground he wanted everyone to know there’s not a detailed plan yet & hopefully that when they do come about they will be better presented than the last ones.

    He hoped minds had been put at rest with this meeting & that one thing he had learnt very quickly is just how poor the media could be, not just inaccurate but damaging. He advised that you should seriously disbelieve some of the stuff you read in the press. Giving ITV as one example they wanted people from the club to throw Meadow & the Council under the bus, when they came down to report on the announcement of our return…& when this wasn’t happening their reporter went: “This is fucking boring. I need some decent shit!”

    So these meeting’s ARE important, so you can find out what’s happening from the directors, and it was also suggested from the floor that perhaps a future one could include a ‘Meet the Manager’ with Gavin Rose present.

    The meeting closed with a passionate thank you speech from the floor by our Club President Jack Payne, which-some would say fortunately-didn’t include a sing song from him!

    END OF REPORT
     
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  8. scousedom

    scousedom Well-Known Member

    Wow. Amazing. Thanks Mishi! Couldn’t make it myself so to have such a thorough recap is fantastic. Am sure others will appreciate immensely too.
     
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  9. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Can I slap this up on Brixton Buzz please?
     
  10. Blitzwalker

    Blitzwalker Well-Known Member

    Many thanks for this precis Mishi. I was unable to go last night, so this makes interesting reading. There’s been some incredible hard work behind the scene and we’re incredibly fortunate as a club to have so many able people involved.
     
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  11. YTC

    YTC Human Man

    We will put out full minutes on club channels, but thank you Mishi for sticking these up! Seems a pretty good account from my recollection :)
     
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  12. PartisanDulwich

    PartisanDulwich Well-Known Member

    This was a great event and highlighted the work that has gone into saving the Club
    undoubtedly, we were days from liquidation and we should be grateful to those who got us back somehow
    Bottom line is we have bought a few more years to try and sort things out
    personally, I remain concerned about Meadows longer terms intentions, but we have got as many securities as we could hope for
    Amazed at the plethora of new information and background info that was given out as was the openness and frank statements about finances and revenue
    The one point I was surprised at was in reply to the statement from the fans " do you trust Meadows" the reply was "yes"
    I totally get the day to day workings is based on trust, but like in all negotiations its best never to trust anyone (I am sure given longer could have been clarified) but then again the Directors have to call it as they see it
    Thanks again to all involved do not underestimate there en-devours in any way and a great turnout from fans who's only wish what ever their views was the best for the club and all contributions were constructive and well considered
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2019
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  13. Matt The Cab

    Matt The Cab Live it like you love it

    Thanks for the update. It seems it was a very frank and honest meeting which hopefully helps eliviate some fears we all feel.

    As Mishi said the directors are approachable on match days if you'd like further answers.

    Also I'd like to thank the numeous nameless volunteers who without their help we'd be fucked
     
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  14. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Do what you like with it, I’ve posted in a public forum...
     
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  15. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Now you fucking tell me!
     
  16. editor

    editor hiraethified

    Cheers - you've done a grand job.
     
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  17. Clareg

    Clareg Well-Known Member

    I can see why Meadows were impress ed with Ben- he spoke with no notes at all for a good 20 minutes and took every question , however many parts it had, and gave open and detailed answers.
    Thanks to Tom and him for hosting the meeting last night. There was a really good atmosphere and it was very informative.
    Ace notes Mishi. Thanks for putting the time in .Much appreciated.
     
  18. Northants Dal

    Northants Dal Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mishi for sharing that and for the time that must have taken; very interesting and informative.
     
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  19. Matt The Cab

    Matt The Cab Live it like you love it

    Knowing what his handwriting is like, it WILL have taken an age.
     
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  20. Son of Roy

    Son of Roy Thinks Gavin Rose is great

    As Mishi has said one urgent point is the all weather pitch has to be replaced by December 2019. A decision will have to be taken about whether a new stadium (subject to planning consent) could built around it later. Or if another site is appropriate. How will it be funded? An opportunity for Meadow to make amends or can we apply for Lottery funding?
     
  21. Al Crane

    Al Crane Well-Known Member

    For me there's no decision to make. Why wouldn't Meadow pay for it?! They need it built as part of their overall plan and they need to get back the trust and goodwill of the Club's supporters and local community so its within everyone's interests for them to pay for it. Not to mention that the cost will probably be the best part of £500k to build which is a lot of money for the club to raise.

    As Ben said last night, there is a larger footprint demised to the club for the installation of the new 3G pitch which allows for a stadium to be built around it. My concern at present is that without the fully detailed plan of the future stadium, there's a danger that decisions are taken which might be to the detriment of the new stadium in the future. For example, in the previous application the new stadium was always planned to be sunken into the ground to minimise impact on the openness of Greendale. Without building the rest of the stadium at the same time this might mean temporary retaining walls would need to be built around the new pitch. Don't underestimate the costs of moving and retaining earth - it's expensive!

    Whilst I understand the reasoning behind keeping the new stadium clubhouse/main stand off Greendale land (whilst keeping the existing stadium open), (a) I'm not convinced that will work in reality given the space required, and (b) I think we need to start from the point where the Club's needs come first before Meadow's desire for as many flats as possible. I'd like to see other options including the new stadium being retained in the same orientation, or the new stadium not being pushed as far onto Greendale as possible. I think there's a deal to be done where Meadow are allowed to build higher and the stadium doesn't extend into Greendale as much which would probably appease all parties...
     
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  22. blueheaven

    blueheaven Well-Known Member

    Thanks for taking the time to write all this up, much appreciated.
     
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  23. pettyboy

    pettyboy Well-Known Member

  24. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Just noted a couple of typo's which I've changed, but you'll have to edit on your Buzz piece: Two figures of McCormack shares should read 75% & 25% NOT 755 and 255.

    Also: Mention of Gavin not getting involved should be 'due to' NOT 'sue to'.

    Apologies!
     
  25. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I'll get on it asap!

    *Done!
     
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  26. BrandNewGuy

    BrandNewGuy Well-Known Member

    Many thanks, Mishi, for all those notes. Just a few points:

    – I can't read that Companies House link which would name the new third director (and I'm not paying for access) but is it ?Mark Weatherall? I made notes but couldn't quite hear the name either...

    – Just to clarify, are we talking about a 3G or a 4G pitch? Both were mentioned and obviously there's a big difference.

    – Ben also talked about a 'credible plan' discussed with LBS as a 'plan B' to stay on the existing site and look at the feasibility for developing/rebuilding the current stadium. I got the impression that looking for a site elsewhere nearby is 'plan C'.
     
  27. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    Pitch wise, I am pretty sure it would be 4G, whatever the modern type is...I think it's just people not being sure what to call them. Possibly talked about 'Plan B' as that's what some keep on banging on about, I don't know...
     
  28. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    'Only' about three hours! :thumbs:
     
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  29. Dulwich Mishi

    Dulwich Mishi Old Skool Terrace Dinosaur-embracing the new-veau!

    I think was generally answered/interpreted as 'probably us, but will look at other streams'...
     
  30. Jimbob73

    Jimbob73 The Wanley Road Massive

    Excellent, thank you Mishi. I was at the meeting but couldn't remember half of it until you posted this. Sounds very accurate and gives a good feel of that the meeting was like.
     

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