OPEN LETTER TO DISSENT - from an Anarchist Federation member

[In Bloom]

This letter isn't "in-fighting", and people who see it as that are really quite shallow. I can criticise present groups a lot, and I do it all the time, but I'm also a member of various other groups precisely to stimulate greater cooperation and more ambitious activities.

I wouldn't really call Cato Institute anti-authoritarian, they're "anarcho"-capitalists! If that's your alternative, you can keep it for yourself.

I wouldn't waste your time mate, he's a Hakim Bey fan for fucks sake

 

[In Bloom]

By the way, am I the only one who hates it when a distinction is made between "activists" and "ordinary people"? It smacks of vanguardism and contempt for the filthy masses, if you ask me.

 

[blamblam]

I wouldn't waste your time mate, he's a Hakim Bey fan for fucks sake

Does he support child rape and fascism like Hakim Bey as well? What a prick.

 

[In Bloom]

Does he support child rape and fascism like Hakim Bey as well? What a prick.

No, I still think TAZ is one of the finest anarchist texts ever written, I just think it's a bit sad that he's a nonce

The fact that Bey's noncery is an inextricable part of his political writing seems to have passed this numpty by.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

And people wonder why I don't call myself an anarchist anymore...

WHAT PEOPLE?!

 

[rednblack]

And people wonder why I don't call myself an anarchist anymore...

i never thought you were one, i knew you loved that nonce bey though, fucking temporary autonomus zones?? cop out, let's hope you're as much use to your fat racist buddy tom k&e as you were to 'anarchism'

 

[Taxamo Welf]

jakapovich

are ou from croatia/czeh region? Quit new to afed...?

Might know you from uluAA.

 

[blamblam]

This is the problem mate, "ordinary people", the average thicko Essex chav like me reading this hasn't got a fucking clue what you are on about!
Who are these "ordinary people" supposed to be?

Ignoring the rest of this thread, which seems pretty pointless (and TBH I didn't really get what that article was about either, and not cos I'm from Essex ), this is silly. Firstly, Essex chavs aren't thickos - and nor are you. Well at least the same proportion are to everyone else, anyway.

Almost everyone has some kind of specialist knowledge or interest, and with specialised knowledge goes language and terminology. People outside that area won't understand a lot of internal dialogue. Intelligence doesn't have anything to do with it. I reckon "ordinary"'s a fair enough term to denote people outside any one specialist area, meaning "layperson" or something, even though of course every "ordinary" person will have their own different specialist interests as well.

IMVHO natch

Poet's gotta be one of the weirdest posters on p-p

 

[Taxamo Welf]

yeah, pretty much. think he was in CW in the past, ask PM. I remember he used to post their stickers up.

 

[888]

And people wonder why I don't call myself an anarchist anymore...

No one wonders. No doubt you'll be as much of an embarrassment to your new found Ayn Rand friends...

For now I'm going to support anti-authoritarian groups that actually have any sort of influence like the cato institute.

 

[Dan Jakopovich]

By the way, am I the only one who hates it when a distinction is made between "activists" and "ordinary people"? It smacks of vanguardism and contempt for the filthy masses, if you ask me.

I share your dislike of vanguardism if it's about trying to preserve an elite status, but it would be silly to deny reality and preach quasi-egalitarian bollocks that everyone's the same. Of course I wouldn't use that language for a regular leaflet - that would be quite stupid.

 

[Dan Jakopovich]

are ou from croatia/czeh region? Quit new to afed...?

Might know you from uluAA.

Yes, I'm from croatia. Yes, I was in ULU AA - what's happening with that, do you still meet? I have evening classes on Monday!

Can't think of who exactly you might be?

 

[treelover]

SS , do you hover over all the boards, you seem omniscient!

 

[editor]

fat racist buddy tom k&e

Not nice.

 

[rednblack]

Not nice.

neither's racism

 

[editor]

neither's racism

Agreed. But right now I'm talking about your personal abuse. Kindly desist.

 

[rednblack]

Agreed. But right now I'm talking about your personal abuse. Kindly desist.

fair enough

 

[In Bloom]

I share your dislike of vanguardism if it's about trying to preserve an elite status, but it would be silly to deny reality and preach quasi-egalitarian bollocks that everyone's the same. Of course I wouldn't use that language for a regular leaflet - that would be quite stupid.

Fair dos, funnily enough its my experience with dissent and the like that started my strong aversion to the activists vs. ordinary type stuff, a lot of people who call themselves anarchists seem to have worrying tendancy to display a fantastic ammount of contempt for the vast majority of people.

Edit: not that I'm accusing you of anything of the kind, just trying to explain why I said what I said

 

[Stobart Stopper]

SS , do you hover over all the boards, you seem omniscient!

Only when I see things I don't understand.
All this Dissent, SWP and Reclaim The Streets stuff, nobody around where I live understands any of it. And yet this is a working class area.

 

[888]

neither's racism

plus that wanker was going on about how great Pinochet was... probably a position that poet will soon come to agree with, given his laughable new faith.

 

[treelover]

thats because there were/are very few W/C people in any of these groups, not even a decent balance.

All this Dissent, SWP and Reclaim The Streets stuff, nobody around where I live understands any of it. And yet this is a working class area.

 

[Herbert Read]

Open Letter to Dissent

Dan dont waste your time.

I propose that all the patronising middle calss tossers/academic warriors chuck themselves in a canal with stones in a sack.

Go back to exploring there alternative lifestyles and having hand signals at meetings of 3 in a pub.

 

[Pickman's model]

what solidarity demo and what propaganda?

the pisspoor big bother wankery. the solidarity demo on the friday organised by people who had their act vaguely together.

 

[rednblack]

the solidarity demo on the friday organised by people who had their act vaguely together.

the people who organised that had their act entirely together - it's not their fault if the dissent types let them down

 

[Dan Jakopovich]

Dan dont waste your time.

I propose that all the patronising middle calss tossers/academic warriors chuck themselves in a canal with stones in a sack.

Go back to exploring there alternative lifestyles and having hand signals at meetings of 3 in a pub.

that's a bit radical. Anyway, the idea that we don't need the middle class on our side is very wrong. What we don't need is the "middle class" becoming a new elite.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

innit.

Herbert, why aren't you in Class War rather than Afed? I've always wondered that.

 

[Top Dog]

... recommended for the few people that havent yet got one

 

[Herbert Read]

that's a bit radical. Anyway, the idea that we don't need the middle class on our side is very wrong. What we don't need is that the "middle class" becomes a new elite.

You can have the middle class on your side im for the canal.

 

[Top Dog]

You can have the middle class on your side im for the canal.

i didnt think andy anderson was that well revered within the af, herbert? have times changed?

 

[Herbert Read]

innit.

Herbert, why aren't you in Class War rather than Afed? I've always wondered that.

because im not 12

Why arent you in dissent organising the next symbolic protest