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DotCommunist said:
Lets hope they've improved the costumes then. Out of a lot of crap costumes, Sontarans had the worst
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DotCommunist said:
various. IIRC wasn't troughton they're first encounter? or was that during the three doctors special?
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No they appeared with troughton in the two doctors which was him and the lesser Baker. First appeared with Pertwee then did a couple of stories with Tom Baker.
 
CNT36 said:
No they appeared with troughton in the two doctors which was him and the lesser Baker. First appeared with Pertwee then did a couple of stories with Tom Baker.
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The Time Warrior was the Pertwee story, The Sontaran Experiment and The Invasion Of Time with Tom Baker.

The Horror of Fang Rock featured a Rutan, mortal enemies of the Sontarans.
 
what lazy cunt 'shopped the same dalek over and over? he could have included some variant Daleks for the win.

Even one Imperial Dalek resplendant in white with gold studs would have made this picture epic.

A wasted effort imo
 
Detroit City said:
i hope they leave out the millions of flying Daleks this season :rolleyes:
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And any other variant of "massive, highly visible invasion of earth that gets deus-ex-machina'd out of existance at the end".:rolleyes:

I have to say I've really lost most of my interest in the new show, now. It started off well (the Ecclestone series) but then just seemed to become a series of repeated plots and cliches. Got tired of the continual religious "Doctor Who as Jesus" imagary, too.
 
poster342002 said:
And any other variant of "massive, highly visible invasion of earth that gets deus-ex-machina'd out of existance at the end".:rolleyes:

I have to say I've really lost most of my interest in the new show, now. It started off well (the Ecclestone series) but then just seemed to become a series of repeated plots and cliches. Got tired of the continual religious "Doctor Who as Jesus" imagary, too.
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It's a funny old series - quality-wise it's very uneven. Sometimes, it can go from brilliant to bollocks in the space of five minutes (the annoying Jesus stuff and the massive reset at the end of the last series came close to spoiling what had otherwise been a brilliant three part story). I still love it though and think Nu-Who knocks spots off the so-called "classic" series which, let's face it, was often just plain bloody terrible.
 
andy2002 said:
It's a funny old series - quality-wise it's very uneven. Sometimes, it can go from brilliant to bollocks in the space of five minutes (the annoying Jesus stuff and the massive reset at the end of the last series came close to spoiling what had otherwise been a brilliant three part story). I still love it though and think Nu-Who knocks spots off the so-called "classic" series which, let's face it, was often just plain bloody terrible.
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To be fair to Davies, though, he was consciously trying to avoid doing a "Star Trek-style" reset, where everything is switched back to its default settings and all is lovely and fluffy etc. He very deliberately makes the point that although the timeline was reset and the Master's takeover of Earth was undone, there were still consequences for the characters; Martha's family was enslaved for a year, she spent a year walking the Earth, the Doctor discovered he wasn't alone and then lost the only other survivor of his race, etc. And Davies is a writer who favours character over plot; in the conclusion of the first series, the point wasn't that there was a big deus ex machina that wipes out the Daleks, it was that Rose made the decision to return to the Doctor and use the said deus ex machina, at the cost (so she thought) of her own life.

The "big reset switch" is pretty much the only way you can do these stories given the constraints Davies has placed on himself. The series has to link to Earth; he doesn't like setting stories on Planet Zog because it distances the audience from the action. He likes to do big finales. Therefore, the big finale is (generally) a Great Big Alien Invasion of Earth. But! In order that contemporary Earth within the fiction resembles our contemporary Earth - because he can't depict Earth as a blasted wasteland in 2009 after the invasion is defeated - he has to ensure that the alien invasion is "wiped from the record" somehow. Enter the Big Reset Button.

Jesus wept, I wrote all that? I am AlphaGeek.
 
elevendayempire said:
Davies has no time for fans because they number in the thousands and their demands are those of the ming-mong. "When is he going to bring Paul McGann back, I demand an episode with the Zygons," that sort of thing. The viewing audience numbers in the tens of millions. It'd be the equivalent of letting those nutters who believe EastEnders is real dictate the storylines.

Anyway, I'm off to the screening in a few hours, will let you know how it goes.

ETA: Actually, I won't be letting you know how it went, 'cause of the NDA they made me sign. Sorry!
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I don't think there are many people who think Eastenders is real the ones that do have probably seitched to Big Brother now.

For some people Dr Who's all they've got and hes ruined it for them. Its real to them because its they've devoted there life to it.

Even Eastenders brought back dirty Den, the Mitchell's and got Babara Windsor in.The fans could get rid of Davies tomorrow if they wanted to but lack the media skills to do so. Get some fathers for Justice style protests going and hes out on his hole.
 
elevendayempire said:
To be fair to Davies, though, he was consciously trying to avoid doing a "Star Trek-style" reset, where everything is switched back to its default settings and all is lovely and fluffy etc. He very deliberately makes the point that although the timeline was reset and the Master's takeover of Earth was undone, there were still consequences for the characters; Martha's family was enslaved for a year, she spent a year walking the Earth, the Doctor discovered he wasn't alone and then lost the only other survivor of his race, etc. And Davies is a writer who favours character over plot; in the conclusion of the first series, the point wasn't that there was a big deus ex machina that wipes out the Daleks, it was that Rose made the decision to return to the Doctor and use the said deus ex machina, at the cost (so she thought) of her own life.

The "big reset switch" is pretty much the only way you can do these stories given the constraints Davies has placed on himself. The series has to link to Earth; he doesn't like setting stories on Planet Zog because it distances the audience from the action. He likes to do big finales. Therefore, the big finale is (generally) a Great Big Alien Invasion of Earth. But! In order that contemporary Earth within the fiction resembles our contemporary Earth - because he can't depict Earth as a blasted wasteland in 2009 after the invasion is defeated - he has to ensure that the alien invasion is "wiped from the record" somehow. Enter the Big Reset Button.

Jesus wept, I wrote all that? I am AlphaGeek.
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But we hail you for it :)
 
elevendayempire said:
To be fair to Davies, though, he was consciously trying to avoid doing a "Star Trek-style" reset, where everything is switched back to its default settings and all is lovely and fluffy etc. He very deliberately makes the point that although the timeline was reset and the Master's takeover of Earth was undone, there were still consequences for the characters; Martha's family was enslaved for a year, she spent a year walking the Earth, the Doctor discovered he wasn't alone and then lost the only other survivor of his race, etc. And Davies is a writer who favours character over plot; in the conclusion of the first series, the point wasn't that there was a big deus ex machina that wipes out the Daleks, it was that Rose made the decision to return to the Doctor and use the said deus ex machina, at the cost (so she thought) of her own life.

The "big reset switch" is pretty much the only way you can do these stories given the constraints Davies has placed on himself. The series has to link to Earth; he doesn't like setting stories on Planet Zog because it distances the audience from the action. He likes to do big finales. Therefore, the big finale is (generally) a Great Big Alien Invasion of Earth. But! In order that contemporary Earth within the fiction resembles our contemporary Earth - because he can't depict Earth as a blasted wasteland in 2009 after the invasion is defeated - he has to ensure that the alien invasion is "wiped from the record" somehow. Enter the Big Reset Button.
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Yes, but it's now been done over and over to the point where it's in very real danger of becoming a dull, formulaic series. For goodness sake, let's have something new (the series used to thrive off reinventing itself) and less of the tired old "emotional journeys".

This show is now in dire need of a breath of fresh air, plot-wise. The very fact that these "grand scale" stories can only work if a big reset switch is thrown at the end is perhaps an argument against doing quite so many of them so often.

I gather the show is taking a rest next year - and, by god, it needs it. I really hope it's reworked a bit when it eventually returns again.
 
Vash said:
For some people Dr Who's all they've got and hes ruined it for them. Its real to them because its they've devoted there life to it.[...] Get some fathers for Justice style protests going and hes out on his hole.
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Or they could, y'know, get some perspective. And leave the house more. Take up a hobby. Badminton, maybe, or knitting.
 
Vash said:
I don't think there are many people who think Eastenders is real the ones that do have probably seitched to Big Brother now.

For some people Dr Who's all they've got and hes ruined it for them. Its real to them because its they've devoted there life to it.

Even Eastenders brought back dirty Den, the Mitchell's and got Babara Windsor in.The fans could get rid of Davies tomorrow if they wanted to but lack the media skills to do so. Get some fathers for Justice style protests going and hes out on his hole.
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I doubt it. The hardcore fanbase is not what has made the new Whos a success. Kid appeal, hot lead actors for mum and dad to drool over and a writing pedigree that makes it 'ok' for the guardianista singletons to tune in.

i wasn't any kind of who fan before - i was intrigued enough by the eccleston/Davies combination to watch, and now i'm hooked because it's entertaining (and Tennant is fit). Like it or not, there are enough 'new fans' like me to keep the viewing figures up. The old fans aren't really on the radar for BBC commisioning editors.
 
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