'Only vegans/vegetarians need apply' - question about recruitment advertising

[Pingu]

go to the interview eating a bacon butty

 

[kyser_soze]

go to the interview eating a bacon butty

Yeah, and while they're all recoiling from that, slap a big, juicy piece of bloody silverside on the desk saying 'Don't worry, it's for later'

 

[Pingu]

and to finish drop your captive bolt gun on the floor wrapped in a McDonalds bag

if that doesn't get you the job nothing will

 

[kyser_soze]

and to finish drop your captive bolt gun on the floor wrapped in a McDonalds bag

if that doesn't get you the job nothing will

The beauty of this is that if they get angsty about the bolt gun, you can do one of the following:

1. Kill the vegans
2. Say that you're on your way to a Coen Bros themed fancy dress party as Sigur from NCFOM...

 

[BadlyDrawnGirl]

Most of the carniverous types I know wouldn't want to be seen dead working for a bunch of 'tree hugging hippy pussies' like vegetarians or vegans...but then, speaking as a tree-hugging hippy pussy, I wouldn't particularly cherish going to work in a butcher's shop or an abbatoir.

 

[fogbat]

Most of the carniverous types I know wouldn't want to be seen dead working for a bunch of 'tree hugging hippy pussies' like vegetarians or vegans...but then, speaking as a tree-hugging hippy pussy, I wouldn't particularly cherish going to work in a butcher's shop or an abbatoir.

The carnivores you know sound like arseholes

 

[Thora]

The carnivores you know sound like arseholes

Innit. I'm not a carnivore anyway I'm an omnivore, but some of my best friends are vegans

 

[ddraig]

Innit. I'm not a carnivore anyway I'm an omnivore, but some of my best friends are vegans

i got some in the family!

i'm all for it btw! more basis than a lot of skypixie worshipping

 

[kalidarkone]

The title should give an idea of what I am asking about.

Imagine a vegan organisation.

Imagine that organisation is advertising an admin post.

Imagine that in the advert, the organisation says that the post is only open to 'committed vegans or vegetarians'.

Would that be lawful?

Cheers.

Dont know, but I think I know which organisation you mean, if it is the same one I'm thinking of I know someone that works for them and became a born again vegan when she began working there. Is it Viva Life by any chance?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Being a marketer for the Vegan Society? I'd say that being a vegan (or, at the very least, a vegetarian) actually was a prerequisite for that.

By that approach, it would arguably reasonable in an advert for selling fashionable women's clothes, to put in the ad 'fat people need not apply', since having overweight people market one's clothing, might detract from the intended message.

 

[likesfish]

under the army's diversity training your still allowed to mock fat people.
As there useless biffers, at least in the godlike infantry might be diffrent in signals and other remf groups
think you can apply to work in a high fashion shop if your a Fat troll but don't be suprised if you don't get the job

 

[charliecrocker]

I love the fact that people still think that anti discrimination law is worth a toss.

Firstly unless veganism or vegetarianism is covered in one of the pieces of legislation outlined above (religion, gender sexual orientation etc) a claim for discrimination could not be taken out. Even the most committed anti discrimination lawyer would be pushing thing a bit to say that eating meat is a belief which should be protected in legislation, although to be fair I have had many a bacon butty which I thought was divine.

Secondly in nearly all of the discrimination legislation there is a reasonability element, for example the ACAS guidance for the Employment Equality (age) Regulations 2006 states

“It is not unlawful to discriminate on the grounds of age if:
• there is an objective justification for treating people differently – for example, it might be necessary to fix a maximum age for the recruitment or promotion of employees.”
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1841

This kind of wishy washy, completely contradicting the whole ethos of the legislation bull shit is in nearly all anti-discrimination legislation.

Therefore I would argue that it is objectively justifiable to advertise for non-meat eaters in this case and it would therefore be “legal” to do so

I’ve just spent an hour trying to think of an indirect discrimination situation (it’s been a very slow day) and therefore don’t have the energy to get into the moral aspect of discrimination against us omnivores.

We know it’s bad for us, we know it’s bad for the planet but we really, really love gravy.

 

[cesare]

The objective justification defence only applies to indirect discrimination, not direct btw.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Cheers for the info, Cesare, I didn't notice it when you first posted it.

Admin jobs don't require commitment to vegetarianism/veganism to do the job properly as long as they don't diss the objectives of the organisation imo.

This to me is the crux of it!

Dont know, but I think I know which organisation you mean, if it is the same one I'm thinking of I know someone that works for them and became a born again vegan when she began working there. Is it Viva Life by any chance?

I wish the people that worked there were as militant in not littering the pavement outside with their cigarette ends as they were about not mixing with meat eaters

 

[Pingu]

under the army's diversity training your still allowed to mock fat people.
As there useless biffers, at least in the godlike infantry might be diffrent in signals and other remf groups
think you can apply to work in a high fashion shop if your a Fat troll but don't be suprised if you don't get the job

do they still have the maximum IQ limit to get through P company?

 

[DaveCinzano]

charliecrocker - I'm not looking to bring a 'claim for discrimination', I just wanted to see if their was a way in which I might reasonably be able to apply for the job without lying.

 

[cesare]

Cheers for the info, Cesare, I didn't notice it when you first posted it.



This to me is the crux of it!

NP, that is how I see it too.

charliecrocker - I'm not looking to bring a 'claim for discrimination', I just wanted to see if their was a way in which I might reasonably be able to apply for the job without lying.

You have a different belief system, but one that won't interfere with your ability to carry out the job in line with the aims of the organisation, innit.

 

[DaveCinzano]

TBH I can't really be arsed with applying now

But it did make me wonder, supposing the successful applicant was a vegan, or a vegetarian, but some time into their employment they fell off the meatless wagon - got a bit pissed and ended up in the kebab shop one night gorging on the giddy delights of non-specific fleshes and fats.

Would that then mean they could be sacked? What with them no longer demonstrating 'commitment' to veganism or vegetarianism?

I'm idly wondering, BTW, no more, before someone goes off half-cocked about Amazonian deforestation and McLibel and half-remembered National Geographic stats.

 

[cesare]

"He ate a kebab after a night at the local yer Honour, thus bringing the organisation into disrepute"

"O Rly? The kebab shop owner enquired as to his occupation, before serving him perhaps?"

"Well, erm, no. But he has to be a vegan to work here!!!!!"

"Let's be clear. Has he consumed bacon sarnies whilst gainfully employed in filing? Y/N? Has he at any time suggested or otherwise induced fellow employees to bring in ham sandwiches for consumption on your premises whilst on rest breaks? Y/N?"

" No, but ..... it's the principle of the thing!!!"

"I think not. Now piss off"

 

[DaveCinzano]

The judge is a steak muncher! Bias! RETRIAL!!!

 

[cesare]

But the two other wing members are vegetarians too, and they agreed with the Judge

 

[DaveCinzano]

Chicken wing members?

 

[Giles]

I can't see how they could sack you if they found out you ate meat in your own time, though. Could they?

Personally I think all these rules about why you can choose to employ or not employ someone are an infringement: if I run a business, it is my money, I should be able to choose to pay it to whoever I want, no restrictions.

Why should other people be able to stick their oar in? It goes against the freedom of the individual to spend his money as he or she wishes.

Giles..

 

[spanglechick]

I can't see how they could sack you if they found out you ate meat in your own time, though. Could they?

Personally I think all these rules about why you can choose to employ or not employ someone are an infringement: if I run a business, it is my money, I should be able to choose to pay it to whoever I want, no restrictions.

Why should other people be able to stick their oar in? It goes against the freedom of the individual to spend his money as he or she wishes.

Giles..

oooh - my very first...

*facepalm*