yes, but the bureaucracy counts as economic activity as well, and you can tax the bureaucracy too, so it's good for the economy.,
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yes, but the bureaucracy counts as economic activity as well, and you can tax the bureaucracy too, so it's good for the economy.,
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If there was absolutely nothing in place for young fit adults who couldn't find work I reckon the crime rate would rocket.
It's the fear of crime/ riot even civil unrest that means the state pays out some form of unemployment benefit.
No, technically non-means tested JSA is paid out to those who have contributed to an insurance scheme.. NI to be precise... not by the grace & favour of the state..
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That's being a bit pedantic.. I was just saying if no JSA was paid out to anyone regardless of whether they have paid into the system it would fuck alot of people up who just needed to claim for a few weeks between jobs.
Unlike pdxm, most people can't live for weeks on their savings/ nothing. Removing JSA would be a good way of radicalising a lot of non political or even generally right wing people. That's why it isn't going to happen, the govt prefer to pick on the more vulnerable (disabled, lone mums) who aren't going to go out and start a revolution because they were left to starve when they lost their jobs.
One of the unfortunate effects of child benefit is that it can influence poorer women to have more children. And that exacerbates poverty levels.
IMO it should be refrormed. Better off families really don't need it. And if it encourages poorer women to have more and more children,that is just building up more and more social poblems for the future.
You seem to be advocating compulsory sterilisation becky or maybe you just think the wrong sort of people in society are having babies? in any case this is bizzare given your response to kvm and i think you should elaborate a on it a bit
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You seem to be advocating compulsory sterilisation becky or maybe you just think the wrong sort of people in society are having babies? in any case this is bizzare given your response to kvm and i think you should elaborate a on it a bit
Like I said before, like hell does child benefit encourage women to have children! It's what about 16 quid a week for a second or subsequent child!!
You seem to be advocating compulsory sterilisation becky or maybe you just think the wrong sort of people in society are having babies? in any case this is bizzare given your response to kvm and i think you should elaborate a on it a bit
Not actually in favour of compulsory sterilisation, though it is an idea
But there is a problem imho with the amount of children born into very low paid or uemployed,badly educated people.
But its not the only benefit that young and not so young women can get. A decision to have a baby while on benefits is easier for some, than for others who have jobs and mortgages.
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One of the unfortunate effects of child benefit is that it can influence poorer women to have more children. And that exacerbates poverty levels.
IMO it should be refrormed. Better off families really don't need it. And if it encourages poorer women to have more and more children,that is just building up more and more social poblems for the future.
what utter bullshit. "I know, I need another 15 quid a week, drop a sprog!"
yeah, right lol.
Yeah cos no woman would ever seriously consider the financial implications of giving birth.
Not actually in favour of compulsory sterilisation, though it is an idea
Huh?
My dad left school at fifteen without any qualifications. My mam can barely read and write and hasn't had paid work since she married my dad. What's your point exactly?
That a huge amount of children are born into poverty.
Yes there are and have been.
Apologies thought you were suggesting something else. </derail>
grogwilton
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Didn't you vote for a thatcherite less then a fortnight ago? And then come up with some guff about how voting for a thatcherite was good for democracy?
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But its not the only benefit that young and not so young women can get. A decision to have a baby while on benefits is easier for some, than for others who have jobs and mortgages.
Why don't you try it? Get pregnant without a job or a home and see how easy it is.
do you like trians?
Not actually in favour of compulsory sterilisation, though it is an idea
well that is a very convicing and belivible answer have you been taking lessons from nino?
Globally or nationally? the same people who you told kvm that society needs to operate? have you thought about the implication of your arguement when you consider the link between the backgrounds of those who you call 'badly educated' and race? This is the most far right wing nazi comment i have come across so far on the recent politics post though the fact the usual urban heavy weights have give it a wide bearth suggests that they know you are all about the 'troll' .Your thinking is so stuffy i think you need to come up for air love still what with you being Boris's fluffer....
if i was duruti or other real progressive thinkers i would think twice about any online association with a poster like yourslef
btw Becky does the 'P' stand for penny farthing politics
Didn't you vote for a thatcherite less then a fortnight ago? And then come up with some guff about how voting for a thatcherite was good for democracy?
I think he liked voting for a 'wacky', 'buffoon-like' thatcherite as a sort of spiteful, shooting-oneself-in-the-foot, cutting one's nose to spite one's face sort of act, but now the champagne's gone flat, the drugs have worn off and reality is sinking in.
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what are you talking about
I was responding to Becky and agreeing with you although I think maybe I confused you a bit.
flighty winged!
i think maybe you did heres to beer and flighty winged posters
heres to beer and flighty winged posters' .Your thinking is so stuffy i think you need to come up for air love still what with you being Boris's fluffer....
btw Becky does the 'P' stand for penny farthing politics
Boris? I dont quite get the connection?
How could P stand for Penny Farthing Politics? Wouldnt that make me Becky P F P?
Oh yes and how is it a Nazi comment to point out that lots of children are born into poverty?
I dont think anybody here has suggested it is an easy option. But it is an option.
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You said it was easier than doing it with a mortgage a few posts ago. Which isn't necessarily true. Being a single mum doesn't necessarily get you council housing (especially in the south east).
Becky makes comment about children in poverty...you immediately think poverty -> race -> becky is a nazi....and you're accusing others of stuffy thinking? hilarious!
Kenny Vermouth
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I don't see why the fruits of my hard work should go to some lazy cunt who sits at home gawping at the telly all day and necking Netto brand cider.
Kenny Vermouth
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I prefer Kilroy references myself.Original Kenny. You missed out the obligatory 'Jeremy Kyle' reference. I am so disappointed.
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Na. Passe.
Depends how quickly your speaking
i should have said P for polly really i supposeOh yes and how is it a Nazi comment to point out that lots of children are born into poverty?
But there is a problem imho with the amount of children born into very low paid or uemployed,badly educated people.
The way you put this sentence and have lumped all these people toghther ( wtf does badly educated have to do with anything? ) in context to the idea you seem to arguing about girls having kids to get council flats is very dodgy
I am not accusing you of being a nazi becky just posting to point out that some people overlook the link and working relationship such ideas have in a wider context , in that they can be and often are subverted to maintain the status quo.
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