One Tribe One Country

[THINK!]

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[THINK!]

I'll take that as a no then shall I?

So a European tries to tell Africa how it's continent should be split up, good good.

Sounds freakishly like colonialism to me, 'we don't care how you want it, we think you should run it like this cos we know best' I can almost hear the words now....

is this a battle for credentials or can i express an opinion, or do I have to wait my turn in this hierachy?

 

[Brainaddict]

(posted in the politic section first but got bored of waiting for a reply!)

A One Tribe One Country solution for Africa:

I remember being a kid and hearing that the OAU favoured keeping the existing established borders in Africa, instead a sort of more general sorting out of countries and borders. I thought if they want to make a go of it, creat new identities and nationailities, being Nigerian rather than Youraba say, go for it, but I was surprized at the chioce.

Now, 30 odd years later, I still think the same, but these days I am convinced of it! countires based on tribal enterties would be more successful. Ok it wouldn't solve all their problems but it would the firm foundations they need to start to build their countries, end to ethnic conflict, tribal wors and rivalry.

African countires are products of British and French colonial map-makers, and don't reflect African ethnic groups at all. Look at the Youraba half of them live in Benin and speak French and the other half liv in Nigeria and speak English, and they hav virtually no contact with each other!

As in countries like Britain, different ethnic groups don't live in defined areas in Africa. They are often intermingled with each other. And within 'ethnic groups' (I think you'd have serious trouble defining some of them) there are also tribal divisions. And a lot of interstate disputes in the world are related to border disputes. Your idea isn't really going to stop those is it? Quite the opposite.

 

[Idris2002]

I actually like Khadaffi's suggestion the other day to make Africa an extended alliance like the EU or the NAFTA. It would put Africans in charge of Africa. (Not that I want Khadaffi leading it, which is his ultimate goal.)

Breaking it all up into hundreds of countries is a bad idea. Ultimately, the world has become too small for us not to figure out a way for various tribes to get along and not kill each other. We might as well pony up now rather than later.

Gadaffi got interested in Africa largely because all the Arab leaders got sick to their back teeth of him.

Now all the African leaders are sick to their back teeth of him as well.

 

[Idris2002]

Irish politics for centuries was about independence from Britain that country didn't progress until they got independence. Do you think Britain should still rule India?

I really don't have time for this fucking shit.

What you're proposing is partition - and there is not a single solitary case that I am aware of partition leading to a lasting solution of ethnic and national conflict.

 

[THINK!]

I really don't have time for this fucking shit.

What you're proposing is partition - and there is not a single solitary case that I am aware of partition leading to a lasting solution of ethnic and national conflict.

surely the conflict in Northern ireland was because there wer two different groups of people.

 

[El Jefe]

surely the conflict in Northern ireland was because there wer two different groups of people.

well, it does usually take at least two groups of people who have a conflict, yes.

 

[Brainaddict]

surely the conflict in Northern ireland was because there wer two different groups of people.

And herding them into different areas would have been an improvement on what happened? I think you should think about that.

 

[THINK!]

As in countries like Britain, different ethnic groups don't live in defined areas in Africa. They are often intermingled with each other. And within 'ethnic groups' (I think you'd have serious trouble defining some of them) there are also tribal divisions. And a lot of interstate disputes in the world are related to border disputes. Your idea isn't really going to stop those is it? Quite the opposite.

Every tribe has a traditional homeland, often extremly well defined.

 

[butchersapron]

surely the conflict in Northern ireland was because there wer two different groups of people.

If only this was a wind up.

 

[zenie]

oooohhhh that rattled you or something?

What the fuck you talking about? they can do what they want. when did you become a expert on the whole of Africa? and why can't I express an opinion? fuck mine.

I asked you a question, which you skirted around and didn't answer. Why couldn't you answer it ey?

Europeans/Africans I used the correct terminology for talking about people from those continents no? Or is this a problem for you?

Why would you have an opinion on what a continent should do, when you don't live there or come from there yourself, it's a bit bizarre innit?

As for being an expert I'm not the one starting a thread am I? You are.

is this a battle for credentials or can i express an opinion, or do I have to wait my turn in this hierachy?

What credentials??

What are YOU on about more to the point

 

[THINK!]

And herding them into different areas would have been an improvement on what happened? I think you should think about that.

Is Algeria still fighting France? once Algeria got its independence and that was sorted out, conflict ended. At one time the french considered Algeria to be part of France, but the Algerians weren't having of that and broke away to form their own independent state.

 

[Santino]

Every tribe has a traditional homeland, often extremly well defined.

And I for one would be happy to leave the place I was born in, if it turned out to be the traditional homeland for some other tribe. I'm sure the rest of the human race would be too.

 

[Brainaddict]

Every tribe has a traditional homeland, often extremly well defined.

Right. You know this thing called a city? There's a process that goes with it called urbanisation. It's been happening in africa for a while. General mobility has also increased. Even where those homelands existed (and I doubt most of them had hard borders in the way we think of borders) they mostly won't exist any more.

 

[THINK!]

And I for one would be happy to leave the place I was born in, if it turned out to be the traditional homeland for some other tribe. I'm sure the rest of the human race would be too.

surely you already hav an identity, English, Welsh, Irish or Scotish and hav a well established homeland?

 

[Santino]

surely you already hav an identity, English, Welsh, Irish or Scotish and hav a well established homeland?

I do, but the moment someone knocks on my door and explains that the land I occupy is the traditional homeland of another tribe, I will immediately and without complaint move out. I'm supporting you here. After all, what possible argument could I have with the notion of a traditional homeland?

 

[zenie]

surely you already hav an identity, English, Welsh, Irish or Scotish and hav a well established homeland?

LOL or surely not as the case for a lot of people?!

 

[Brainaddict]

Is Algeria still fighting France? once Algeria got its independence and that was sorted out, conflict ended.

You don't see a difference between a militarily superior colonising minority withdrawing, and the involuntary movements of whole populations that have been living alongside each other for decades or centuries?

I refer you to your username.

 

[THINK!]

I do, but the moment someone knocks on my door and explains that the land I occupy is the traditional homeland of another tribe, I will immediately and without complaint move out. I'm supporting you here. After all, what possible argument could I have with the notion of a traditional homeland?

Explain to me what happened in Czechoslovakia?



Two peoples put together in an artificial state who agree they would be happier being seperate countries. how does that resemble what you've said.

 

[Brainaddict]

Two peoples put together in an artificial state who agree they would be happier being seperate countries. how does that resemble what you've said.

So everyone would agree? Without resentment or hostility?

See the partition of India/Pakistan.

 

[El Jefe]

Explain to me what happened in Czechoslovakia?



Two peoples put together in an artificial state who agree they would be happier being seperate countries. how does that resemble what you've said.

are you 7?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Gadaffi got interested in Africa largely because all the Arab leaders got sick to their back teeth of him.

Now all the African leaders are sick to their back teeth of him as well.

I think everyone is sick to their back teeth of him. I have no high opinion of the man myself either.

 

[Santino]

I think everyone is sick to their back teeth of him. I have no high opinion of the man myself either.

I've started ignoring his texts.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Yeah cause the notion of putting people back in their perceived homeland has worked fantastically well hasn't it? I mean look at Israel and Palestine, that's a beacon for your ideas right there, all problems solved and no more conflict.

 

[twistedAM]

Why would you have an opinion on what a continent should do, when you don't live there or come from there yourself, it's a bit bizarre innit?

So you've no opinion on Palestine/Israel or anywhere outside of the UK?

 

[zenie]

So you've no opinion on Palestine/Israel or anywhere outside of the UK?

Not really, I certainly don't think 'oh this is what they should do, I know' and start a thread on it.

 

[twistedAM]

Not really, I certainly don't think 'oh this is what they should do, I know' and start a thread on it.

Fair enough. That's ditched the idea of international socialism.

 

[zenie]

Fair enough. That's ditched the idea of international socialism.

Well I'm not a socialist...

You don't find it rather arrogant to presume what's right for somewhere when you have no connection with there?

 

[El Jefe]

Well I'm not a socialist...

You don't find it rather arrogant to presume what's right for somewhere when you have no connection with there?

so if I see one village kicking the crap out of another village on the news, I'm not entitled to think "that's a bit rum" without being accused of arrogance?

 

[twistedAM]

Well I'm not a socialist...

You don't find it rather arrogant to presume what's right for somewhere when you have no connection with there?

Well, it's a global economy and since Europe keeps fucking Africa, then we're all involved to some extent.
The OP was very clumsy but as other posters have argued it's the colonialists that set up Africa as it is, and it is companies from the UK and developed nations that keep plundering the continent's resources.