Israel will tell the US what solution it wants...niksativa said:
One State Solution
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likesfish
You can't park here sir
people are talking like in 1948 Israel just decided to evict every Arab they could
didn't exactly happen like that there was a war with the stated intention of making israel cease to exist.
the people pushing for the one state solution seem to be the people backing the losing side israel is still in a position of strength.
Israeli's are ment to give up there state disarm and rely on the arabs good intentions for peace
I really see them voting for that two states shed load of cash for the refugees and some deal over Jerusalem that I could see being doable
didn't exactly happen like that there was a war with the stated intention of making israel cease to exist.
the people pushing for the one state solution seem to be the people backing the losing side israel is still in a position of strength.
Israeli's are ment to give up there state disarm and rely on the arabs good intentions for peace
I really see them voting for that two states shed load of cash for the refugees and some deal over Jerusalem that I could see being doable
Spion
I hear ya
wibble wibble. You can shit on all you like. There's still up to 4 million people directly suffering as a result of their or their forefathers' ethnic cleansing upon israel's formation. That just ain't gonna go awaylikesfish said:people are talking like in 1948 Israel just decided to evict every Arab they could
didn't exactly happen like that there was a war with the stated intention of making israel cease to exist.
the people pushing for the one state solution seem to be the people backing the losing side israel is still in a position of strength.
Israeli's are ment to give up there state disarm and rely on the arabs good intentions for peace
I really see them voting for that two states shed load of cash for the refugees and some deal over Jerusalem that I could see being doable
bendeus
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.mears said:
There is a world of difference between immigrants and refugees. I'm not even going to bother elucidating them for you, though. Google it if needs be.
That's right. It's all Muslim countries' fault that 1,000,000 Palestinian refugees are living in penury in their countries. Egypt, Jordan and Syria should have just absorbed them, with all the wads of cash they have to develop the necessary infrastructure to accomodate all those have nots on their doorsteps.
While they're at it, maybe Sudan should do the same for all the Eritrean refugees living in camps in their territory, Tunisia for the Western Saharans, and Chad for the Darfurians. Maybe America would step in and house, educate and medically treat all the Iraqis they've displaced over the last decade or so as well, just like they did for the Vietnamese
bendeus said:.
There is a world of difference between immigrants and refugees. I'm not even going to bother elucidating them for you, though. Google it if needs be.
That's right. It's all Muslim countries' fault that 1,000,000 Palestinian refugees are living in penury in their countries. Egypt, Jordan and Syria should have just absorbed them, with all the wads of cash they have to develop the necessary infrastructure to accomodate all those have nots on their doorsteps.
While they're at it, maybe Sudan should do the same for all the Eritrean refugees living in camps in their territory, Tunisia for the Western Saharans, and Chad for the Darfurians. Maybe America would step in and house, educate and medically treat all the Iraqis they've displaced over the last decade or so as well, just like they did for the Vietnamese
And you justify their behavior, that is pathetic.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
so the idf have 168 000 active troops and could field up to a million armed citizens unless they think theres something in it for them theres no chance at all 
it foolish to suggest the pals have a right to return and the Israelis just to have to take it.
when they have the upper hand militarily and no confidence that if they give any ground there be any more secure than they are now.
w.i.t.f.m. applies
expecting people to give up their right to exist voluntarily especially when the other side has attempted to use military force to destroy them is not going to happen.
Never again isn't an empty slogan.
its the same fiction the provos tried in 1973 that the british state was going to surrender to them 200 gunmen against 30000 troops how was that supposed to happen then?
it foolish to suggest the pals have a right to return and the Israelis just to have to take it.
when they have the upper hand militarily and no confidence that if they give any ground there be any more secure than they are now.
w.i.t.f.m. applies
expecting people to give up their right to exist voluntarily especially when the other side has attempted to use military force to destroy them is not going to happen.
Never again isn't an empty slogan.
its the same fiction the provos tried in 1973 that the british state was going to surrender to them 200 gunmen against 30000 troops how was that supposed to happen then?
Palestinians are mostly tribal arabs, not that dissimilar to Saudis in term of culture. Look what happened when the saudis were given vast sums of money. They squandered it. The society that was built there was built with the work of expat labour and slave labour from the indian subcontinent.
If the palestinians had been given the same amount of money there's very little to suggest they would have invested it in anything substatial for the simple reason they have never had the trapping of civil society to emulate it.
It is for this reason a one state solution could not work. They would wreck it in less than a decade and be in the same position they're in now.
If the palestinians had been given the same amount of money there's very little to suggest they would have invested it in anything substatial for the simple reason they have never had the trapping of civil society to emulate it.
It is for this reason a one state solution could not work. They would wreck it in less than a decade and be in the same position they're in now.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
laptop said:
Probably the reading of something which includes an argument about "near-empty land" and the like.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Peet said:
Or, to give it it's full name "The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs".
The clue is in the title. The book is an interpretive look at stories and occurrences, all of which are filtered through what comes across as condescension toward the Arabs.
Read it, gave it away to a charity shop where it was still languishing on the shelf a couple of months later when I went in again.
Spion said:
If they don't negotiate the Palestinians will get nothing. Right now Israel is more powerful and might rules.
Many Palestinians were evacuated by the Arab forces and promised once they conquered Israel they could return. Many other Palestinians were also irreqular fighters against Israel - that is why many were expelled. While it is inexcusable that innocent civilian Palestinians were expelled or massacred many were also fighting Israel. You will noticed there is still a very large population of Arabs in Israel, contary to many Arab countries were most Jews have been expelled.
You have also blamed Israelis for the actions of their ancestors. Does that mean you also blame German citizens for the actions of the Nazis?
bendeus said:
Well thats how the World works matey. Like it or not. If the roles were reversed and Palestinians were in the position of the Israelis, what do you think would happen then?
Then there would be a viable one-state solution then as all Israelis (including the non-Zionist ultra-orthodox Jews and Israeli Arabs would be dead.
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