Olmert to US; Support apartheid please.
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rogue yam said:
Ah, yes. Ye olde character assassination. If in doubt, shit on those with whom you disagree - the preferred modus operendi of left and right together - and you wonder why the world is such a shitty place? Look in the mirror!
(Don't get smug moono and tangentlama - your reflections will be identical to that of rogue yam.)
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
your 'opposite' isn't 'true' either. it was Israeli and US media which tried to imply that ISM was an 'extremist' organisation, based the fact that two British suicide bombers attended her funeral (off their own backs) whilst they were there with murderous intent. That chance association was seized upon by US-IL media who are mostly against the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Movement, and used this to declare that ISM were extremists.astronaut said:
Opponents to Israel? Or opponents to Israel's Martial Law for Palestinians?
There is no anti-Israel 'left' in Israeli-Palestinian peace movements ore than any other group, look to long-term security and peace. It's no surprise that many high ranking ex-IDF Israelis are leading the peace movement, since they, more than most, realise the long-term damage to peace which their occupation brings to both Palestinians and Israelis.
what Hamas have asked for is not dissimilar to the proposals for peace which The Israeli-Palestinian peace movement have been asking for since 1976.
about this fantastic new category of 'anti-Israel left': this wouldn't be based on this 'anti-Semitic left' which mainly right-wing USers and UK ultra-'left' propagandists have failed to impress upon the UK media-reading public over the last year or so, would it?
yam;
As for you, yam, you can't put an argument together and you're a disgrace to any discussion forum. I've seen lots of forum twazzocks and you ain't even in the foul-mouth top ten. A failed fool is a failure indeed.
I was giving Astronorks the benefit of the doubt. Was he a genuine pacifist or not ? Very rare people , you know. However, as you can see by the contributions above, he's not. H.Dumpty with a white flag is still H.Dumpty.
As for you, yam, you can't put an argument together and you're a disgrace to any discussion forum. I've seen lots of forum twazzocks and you ain't even in the foul-mouth top ten. A failed fool is a failure indeed.
tangentlama
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rogue yam said:
i refer you to http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4368880&postcount=40
i object strongly, not only to the use of the term 'Islamism' by western hacks to describe political islam, since we don't call Judaism 'Jewish politics' - there are all kinds of mistakes being made whilst the US tries to make sense of Islamic politics overseas, and stall for as long as possible for Israel to finish the wall (whose course i believe will take some surprising changes).
i bet you can name instantly at least three forms of Jewish political expression over the last 100 years, and yet you can't name three forms of Islamic political expression without calling it 'Islamism'.
there can be no quibbling - 'Islamism' is the wrong term to use to describe Islamic politics. do we call BOLSHEVISM, 'Judaism' ? Do we call BUNDISM 'Judaism'? NO!
so what are the deliniations of extra-religious political groups in Islam? you don't know? then what the fuck are you opposing? i suggest you find out before you dare to show your face in the middle east forum again with you insults and insinuations of antisemitism. i say you're on dangerous ground, because you're obviously susceptible to being influenced to set yourself against a 'People' without any knowledge of what you're actually against. not only are you against what you don't know, you're easily led by the same negative stereotyping which saw whole nations collaborate together in the murder of millions of Disabled, Homosexuals, Jews, Leftists, Political dissidents, Roma.
your lack of knowledge makes you unaware of the dangerous ground you're standing on.
you tell alot of people here that they're lying across the political forums, but i think you can't tell lie from truth anymore.
FridgeMagnet
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Posted elsewhere previously, but kindly cut down on the personal abuse.
Let's assume for a moment that the Israelis are intelligent people (that wouldn't hurt, and it might flatter them, which is always a good thing when trying to convince someone else you're right).
Can't they decide for themselves if their perceptions are correct?
(Would the Palestinians be insulted if we didn't view them as intelligent people capable of making their own perceptional decisions?)
Frankly, anyone standing in front of a moving bulldozer is asking for trouble - it's common sense not to do it, and only an extremist would do it to the degree that she gets killed.
I agree she probably was killed deliberately - I also have trouble believing the soldier didn't see her, but don't believe he was given orders to kill her.
But it should be common sense not to stand in the way of a moving bulldozer during a military operation.
When I take a long hard look at the left, I see that they are opposed to the existence of Israel. I am very surprised that you would deny this.
What Hamas asks for is what only the extreme left of the Israeli-Palestinian peace movement has demanded.
The fact is that this extreme left has only succeeded in doing one thing: alienating the Israeli right beyond all reconciliation.
Had this extreme left been more moderate in their demands, this alienation might well not have occurred.
Making peace is about reconciliation - that is an important concept, which you had better remember.
Another important concept is respect - respect your enemies, and peace will be easier to achieve.
Yet another important concept is moderation - be moderate, and your enemies will respect you in return.
tangentlama
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let's not assume anything. show me this 'antisemitic left' who are against Israel.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
rogue yam said:
Nonsense, cuntstick.
editor said:
So are you saying that violence is justified?
If yes, what is to stop an Israeli from saying that violence is justified to stop suicide bombers?
Your argument is circular - violence justifies violence justifies violence ... ad infinitum.
My argument is also circular: respect/moderation/dialog justifies respect/moderation/dialog justifies respect/moderation/dialog ... ad infinitum.
The left however does not believe in respect/moderation/dialog any more than the right does - both are cut from the same cloth, grown in the same field, so to speak.
Anyone who tells me that protest is preferrable to interaction does not understand basic human nature all too well.
Protest => alienation => conflict => protest => alienation => conflict
Interaction => reconciliation => conflict resolution => interaction => reconciliation => conflict resolution
tangentlama said:
Uh, guys. You both are completely wrong. You must both have severe mental illness because what you say is far beyond the reach of mere ignorance. Hamas wants to drive all of the Jews out of Israel. Period. Every sane person knows this. People who are not psychotic leftists, and who want to understand Hamas, do really simple, obvious things like Googling the following terms: hamas covenant OR charter . Then, after reviewing the materials found, the picture becomes quite clear, and it looks nothing like what either of you say. Sheesh!astronaut said:
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yammie, your knowledge of the history of the Levant appears to have begun at 1947/8. I would also wager that you know nothing of Sykes-Picot either.
tangentlama
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very briefly, yam, PA (which includes Hamas) said that Jews settled on occupied Palestinian territory were welcome to settle in Palestine if they made an application to the PA in the proper fashion. in what way is that indicative of wanting 'to drive all the Jews out of Israel'? Hamas were amongst the few who treated the Gazan synagogues as a Holy Place.
can I ask where you got your information about Hamas from?
can I ask where you got your information about Hamas from?
Col_Buendia
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rogue yam said:
Bandying terms like mental illness around in a supposed debate is pretty grotesque. Why don't you take a step back and try to play the ball, not the poster?
cemertyone
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astronaut said:
What a load of drivel...
so the Isreali soldiers bulldozing the homes of Pal people (killing disabled people, women and kids in the process) are somehow exhibitating signs of Moderation do you?..You talk of the Isreali "extreme left" in nearly the same terms as that of "terrorists" and yet you make not one comment of the racist politics of may of the Isreal;i rightist groupings..
People who want to ethnically cleanse Isreal of all non-jews ( a crime Mr Milosevic was taken to the Hauge War Crimes Tribuneral for).
You sit on the fence and give it the " both sides are as bad as the other" nonsense and fail totally to acknowledge that it is the Pal who are living under a foregin military presense and not the other way around. And by doing so you (and others like you) are giving your implicate support for the continuing misery that the isreal are inflicting on an entire people.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rogue yam said:
You wouldn't know reason if it bit your chickenhawking arse, boy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
astronaut said:
Then why not arrange the words in your mouth into more coherent sentences?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
rogue yam said:
Vimto having a "man-crush"?
Not possible.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Col_Buendia said:
Because, as he's demonstrated amply throughout his posting history, he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to do so, hence the recourse to abuse in just about every post.
Hey, bear in mind the guy is the kind of freeper that nauseated even the freepers on "freak republic".
Col_Buendia
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ViolentPanda said:
Gone all quiet now, though, hasn't s/he?
Repugnant little toad that Yam is...
ViolentPanda
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rogue yam said:
What? No "retard"?
Surely the fearless Rogue Yam isn't scared of being banned again?
ViolentPanda
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Col_Buendia said:
That's a pretty vile insult to toads, mon colonel.
I prefer to think of him more as a protoplasmic slime, you know, something spineless and smelly.
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