Olmert: Israeli lives worth more than Palestinian ones

[moono]

Because the 'victim' of such 'trials' cannot offer a defence.

E.g. ( and this is purely an example) we're going to top you on sight, Rachamim, our court has decided.


Fortunately, trials in absentia are condemned by all but fascists and little old ladies who watch too much Murdoch-owned telly.

 

[muser]

Moono on the petroleum geologist thread it does give a time frame for American hegemony and that magical figure is 80 years. We will have depleted all known oil deposit. All things being equal between Israel and palestine at such a time, no military advantage existing between the two, no tangible economic tilt in Israels favour but a level playing field. Will Zionist rue their actions now, then. Will the PA seek to treat Israelis with the respect that they are currently afforded?

 

[moono]

I've drifted in and out of the 'oil-less' scenario and I believe, currently, that we're all going to be ruled by the sun.

Those countries with favourable conditions, provided that they get their solar energy industries started right away, will be tomorrow's major powers.

Israel will be one of these States but only if the Zionist 'dream' is kicked up the arse in the near future. Then there's the problem of taking their bomb away.

Too many variables . I just live in hope, half the time.

 

[rachamim18]

Moono: I suggest that you bone up on Western Law practices. Trial in absentia is not nefarious. The defendant is protected [under law] by a solicitor.

If your court abides by the principles of International Law and has senbtenced me to death, I cannot complain. However the subject is moot becuase I would evade neither apprehension nor sentencing.

Trials in absentia are condemned by all but fascists, etc...Really? Care to qualify it?

Muser: You seem to be under the very mistaken impression that America is propping Israel up, at least militarily. You might find your convictions shaken if you availed yourself to the last US War Games workup, Israel in a per capita battle would wax America.

The point of course, is whether or not America is in the equation, Arabs will not beat Isreal.

Keep living in hope...

 

[TAE]

If your court abides by the principles of International Law and has senbtenced me to death, I cannot complain.

Are you insande or just lying?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Are you insande or just lying?

that'd be the second version of things then...

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

Moono: I suggest that you bone up on Western Law practices. Trial in absentia is not nefarious. The defendant is protected [under law] by a solicitor.

And how do you reconcile that with the Sixth Amendment ?

 

[skaboy]

The defendant is protected [under law] by a solicitor.

Yeah but if the defendant dosnt even speak to the person defending him,or even has no contact or awareness of the trial against them,and perhaps say the defence solicitor is chosen by israel.....then hmmmm i wonder which way the case will go

Trials in absentia are morally wrong and illegal under international law.

They are just show trials to make it look like they are treating the palestinians equally and dignifyingly to the worlds press.

Its pathetic and makes me sick.

 

[TAE]

The defendant is protected [under law] by a solicitor.

How does he/she select his/her solicitor?

 

[skaboy]

Trial in absentia is not nefarious. The defendant is protected [under law] by a solicitor.

Also this would be an illegal trial as it would have to be in front of a jury of their peers,and im willing to bet a million pounds that the jurys are all israeli.

How can that be a jury of their peers seeing as they are from a DIFFERENT country in international law(as it is very rare for an arab to have an israeli passport).

Another way trials in absentia are a load off FUCKING bullshit.

 

[rachamim18]

TAE: Insane? Lying? ?Are you lying when you claim to have not been aware of the legal prinicple known as "Trial in absentia?"

Moono: I don't have to reconcile it, the US Supreme cort already did it for me. Argue with them.

Skaboy: How will thew case go? Casaes actually go against the state more than you would ever know. Facts are presented. the cases are argued on their merits. both sides present through arguments.

Illegal under International Law? Please provide the case precedence etc to support your statement.

Show trials? They are military trials and held under military secrecy so it seems you haven't actually even begun to study the subject. Jut shooting from the hip as it were.

Trial by a jury of peers or it is illegal? It seems you have little knowledge of western ;legal principles. Using America as the rule of thumb, many states offer trial without jury. The defendant COULD obtain such a trial again, if they made themselves availabel for prosecution.

Trial by a jury of their peers would be impossible since they would be in a different nation. Agasin, p[lease study the subject. Almost 19% of Israel's population is comprised of the defendant's peers. ?that is of course discounting that the other 81% are also Semitic. Geez...

TAE: Just as in the US, the defendant does NOT pick their attorney. It is assigned to them by way of lottery to ensure as much fairnes as possible in assignatiuon. Of course they could always have a trial where they can pick their own counselor and even testify in thier own behalf....if on ly they made themselves available.

 

[TAE]

TAE: Insane? Lying? ?Are you lying when you claim to have not been aware of the legal prinicple known as "Trial in absentia?"

You didn't answer the question. Nor did I recall claiming to have not been aware of the legal prinicple known as "Trial in absentia".

TAE: Just as in the US, the defendant does NOT pick their attorney. It is assigned to them by way of lottery to ensure as much fairnes as possible in assignatiuon.

Only if they cannot afford one themselves:

http://www.ccjcc.info/LA_SuperiorCourt-CriminalCourts.asp
If the defendant cannot afford an attorney of his or her own choice, an attorney is appointed by the court.

Otherwise they can use any attorney they care to hire.

Of course they could always have a trial where they can pick their own counselor and even testify in thier own behalf....if only they made themselves available.

Would you?

 

[rachamim18]

TAE: I did answer your questions, please read again. If you still feel that way, please list the questions you feel have been unanswered and I will repeat my answers.

"Would I?" DEFINITELY! See, Israel does not have capital punishment, EXCEPT in cases such as absconding militants. this way I would at least live to present my case and with hopes that I would take part in a prisoner exchange and live free withoput a bounyt on my neck.

 

[TAE]

TAE: I did answer your questions, please read again. If you still feel that way, please list the questions you feel have been unanswered and I will repeat my answers.

Ok: Are you insane or lying?

Israel does not have capital punishment, EXCEPT in cases such as absconding militants.

What about teenage hackers?

 

[moono]

And twelve-year old schoolgirls.

 

[TAE]

When did rachamim18 advocate shooting twelve-year old schoolgirls?

 

[moono]

13. My error.

This one;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11028.htm

Rachamim described it as 'a good kill' I'm hoping it will be evidence at his trial.

 

[tangentlama]

moono, there isn't the money to prosecute every asshole soldier that ever served in any army.

You should have been an anarchist, Rachamim. Like the Masadaim.
What you're promoting isn't noble at all. Israeli cops beating up Tel-Aviv kids for having raves, shooting AATW activists with rubber bullets. Driving conscientious objectors out of the country. No wonder they go to Goa. You war-jerks are doing their head in.

 

[moono]

moono, there isn't the money to prosecute every asshole soldier that ever served in any army.

Let's try to have some taxes diverted.

Good post, incidentally. You ain't the stiff I thunk you was.

 

[rachamim18]

TAE: Again, Israel does not have capital punishment EXCEPT for terrorists who are in hiding. In the case of the hackers, if it is possible to apprehand them they would not be killed. they would be detained and tried. In all probability however their own nation's Intel has probably already killed them so it is basically a non-issue. Morrocco and Israel share decent relations.

As for "advocating shooting 12 year old girls," if you choose to engage Moono's pseudo-wit, that is your concern. I would rather concentrate on actual issues.

Tangent: I do not advocate beating up ravers. See, what you and others seem to be unable to grasp is pure mathamatics. Israel is a nation of approximately 6 million. It is surrounded by roughly 300 million people whop for the most part are willing to die to destroy it. If you add like minded people out of the general vicinity that 300 million turns into 1 billion.

Now, if Israel were to offer its citizens the option of national service, what would happen? Most people do not take warmly to eating mud and doing 180s for 6 months, or 100 km hikes in full pack, etc., etc. this would leave Israel's military seriuously deficient. This in turn would lead to the destruction of Israel. This is not being melodramatic or having a vivid imagination. Simply looking at the fact that Israel has a major war just about every 8 years bears this out.

One can be a conscientious objector all they want. Be a mechanic. Be a medic. Simply express your values in a way that does not imperil your neighbours, family, and nation. One may serve without being in a combat capacity. My batallion has a wonderful option of social service. Even most combat personel participate. the no godnoks you talk about shirk all responsibility and endanger their nation [seriously]. It woiuld be nice to have a society like America where they have a war on two fronts and noone gives a damn. Israel is not America and it is not Britain. We have different sensibilities and concerns.

 

[moono]

Rachamim;

As for "advocating shooting 12 year old girls," if you choose to engage Moono's pseudo-wit, that is your concern. I would rather concentrate on actual issues.

See...
Rachamim;

As for the IDF captain being acquitted: BRAVO. It is a tragedy that she died but her m.o. fit the package to a tee. The captain should never have been faulted for carrying out proper procedure. The alleged comment about a 3 year old was never proven but had it been uttered, it is understandable. If a duck quacks, its a duck.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=167693&page=6

Rachamim;

It was a good kill

The transcript

The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl

From the watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."

Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman

"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

Rachamim;

Bravo