ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Lock&Light said:
Are you familiar with the psychological phenomenon known as "projection", old feller?
Seek help, there's a good chap!
Olmert: Israeli lives worth more than Palestinian ones
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Are you familiar with the psychological phenomenon known as "projection", old feller?
Seek help, there's a good chap!
ViolentPanda said:
After all the number of times you and nino have thrown that at me I certainly should be familiar with it.
Problem is, VP, you ARE acting like I suggested and it has nothing to do with 'projection'.
But you're too far stuck up your own arse to be able to see it.
GarfieldLeChat
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yeah that's ture but sadly in an abstract that is afine and mgihty concept but in reality their actions are those of dehumaniseing the palestinians they interact withLock&Light said:
Moono: "If Zionists assasinate 'Palestinians,' then 'Palestinians' should assasinate Israelis." Sounds logical EXCEPT that Israel is a sovereign nation trying to exact justice after a complete criminal trial in absentia for the subject. Militants on the other hand abide by no law. What due process is afforded the many people killed by callous and WANTON VIOLENCE?
"Posted the casualty list twice." And both times it meant absolutely nothing, nada, zilch. No context, no qualifications, no demographics. It is useless. Forensics? Pathology? Film?
"Trying to paint 'Palestinians' as uniquely fiendish towards prisoners." Not unique but certainly fiendish.
"Zionists had been despaerate to engage HAMAS for some time." WRONG. They have been doing so since 3 days after leaving Gaza so your comment makes no sense. On that very beach less than 2 weeks before Israeli commandos had landed and directly engaged HAMAS.
As for your post to Xianniax, you are completely wrong. forensic evidence? I guess you just did not hear about the ordnance fragmnents found on site that came from a HAMAS mine. Guess you are totally unawares of the IDF time dated films and stills. guess you are also unaware fo the IDF logs and conflicting testimony offered by on site witnesses.
Garfield: How does the IDF "dehumanise" "Palestinians?" Curfews? ID checks?
"Posted the casualty list twice." And both times it meant absolutely nothing, nada, zilch. No context, no qualifications, no demographics. It is useless. Forensics? Pathology? Film?
"Trying to paint 'Palestinians' as uniquely fiendish towards prisoners." Not unique but certainly fiendish.
"Zionists had been despaerate to engage HAMAS for some time." WRONG. They have been doing so since 3 days after leaving Gaza so your comment makes no sense. On that very beach less than 2 weeks before Israeli commandos had landed and directly engaged HAMAS.
As for your post to Xianniax, you are completely wrong. forensic evidence? I guess you just did not hear about the ordnance fragmnents found on site that came from a HAMAS mine. Guess you are totally unawares of the IDF time dated films and stills. guess you are also unaware fo the IDF logs and conflicting testimony offered by on site witnesses.
Garfield: How does the IDF "dehumanise" "Palestinians?" Curfews? ID checks?
Rachamim, this 'sovereign nation' stuff you keep mouthing is pap. Assassination is illegal, understand that once and for all and stop trying to promote Zionist's rights to it. There aren't any.
Also, Israel is only a 'sovereign nation' if Hamas recognises them as such, and they don't.
The casualty list is sound, compiled by the respected Palestinian Red Crescent who are part of the International Red Cross. Their contact with victims is very direct. Eight hundred Palestinians murdered by the IOF since August 2004. Make a note.
The rest of your IOF 'glorifying' post is crap and doesn't warrant a response. Far truer reports have already been posted.
Also, Israel is only a 'sovereign nation' if Hamas recognises them as such, and they don't.
The casualty list is sound, compiled by the respected Palestinian Red Crescent who are part of the International Red Cross. Their contact with victims is very direct. Eight hundred Palestinians murdered by the IOF since August 2004. Make a note.
The rest of your IOF 'glorifying' post is crap and doesn't warrant a response. Far truer reports have already been posted.
GarfieldLeChat
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if one considers that international law is above state sactioned violence.... not trying to use the 'just folllowing orders' logic are we to justific extrajudical killing???xiannaix said:
X;
Don't tell me that you believe local tribal jurisdiction over-rides international law and the Geneva Conventions ?
Here's another example of an international law which the Zionists ignore;
Collective Punishment
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/collective-pun.html
Don't tell me that you believe local tribal jurisdiction over-rides international law and the Geneva Conventions ?
Here's another example of an international law which the Zionists ignore;
Collective Punishment
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/collective-pun.html
Moono: "Russian copter should rescure Russian shipwreck survivors first?" First of all, you are talking about an armed conflict, not a natural or unnatural disaster. There is a huge difference. Ironically, most wounded inthe beach incident are recuperating in Israeli hospitals. Israel has always disregarded nationality and religion when offering humanitarian aid. However, when weighing prospective risks of collateral damage, a leader will always elevate his/her partisan insterests above the lives of foreigners.
"Assasination is illegal." Capital punishment is not.
"Israel is only a sovereign nation if HAMAS recognises them as such." Sadly for you and them, the UN recognises Israel's sovereignity. HAMAS' decison means nothing.
"The respected 'Palestinian' Red Crescent." Actually, this organisation almost lost its charter due to its propensity to hire known terrorists and allow its offices and vehichles to be utilised by known terrorists...even so far as actively assisting in a terror operation.
"800 'Palestinians' murdered." "Murder" requires forethought and deliberate action. Israel, as a nation, has never murdered a single person. As for the figure [once again], it is unqualified, thus meaningless as anything other than propaganda.
"Collective Punishment." Again, how? Curfews? Mandatory i.d. checks?
Garfield: International Law has NOT relegated capital punishment to the illegal, or even unacceptable bin. If Israel were to operate death squads, this would be much different. Instead, Israel charges those men, attempts to apprehend them with PA assistance, and obtains justice via capital punishment IF those men are convicted in absentia. Did you nor wonder just a bit why Israel has not been tried for auch allegedly illegal acts?
"Assasination is illegal." Capital punishment is not.
"Israel is only a sovereign nation if HAMAS recognises them as such." Sadly for you and them, the UN recognises Israel's sovereignity. HAMAS' decison means nothing.
"The respected 'Palestinian' Red Crescent." Actually, this organisation almost lost its charter due to its propensity to hire known terrorists and allow its offices and vehichles to be utilised by known terrorists...even so far as actively assisting in a terror operation.
"800 'Palestinians' murdered." "Murder" requires forethought and deliberate action. Israel, as a nation, has never murdered a single person. As for the figure [once again], it is unqualified, thus meaningless as anything other than propaganda.
"Collective Punishment." Again, how? Curfews? Mandatory i.d. checks?
Garfield: International Law has NOT relegated capital punishment to the illegal, or even unacceptable bin. If Israel were to operate death squads, this would be much different. Instead, Israel charges those men, attempts to apprehend them with PA assistance, and obtains justice via capital punishment IF those men are convicted in absentia. Did you nor wonder just a bit why Israel has not been tried for auch allegedly illegal acts?
X;
So, you'd like your country to abandon international agreements and withdraw from the United Nations ? They're just 'bunk', right ?
Rachamim;
Trial in abstentia is illegal so that rules out what you'd like to term 'capital punishment'. In fact it makes it murder and your government will be brought to book.
Israel largely ignores the UN . You reek of hypocrisy when you then cite the UN as a legal body.
Hamas decision to consider Israel an illegal entity has strong grounding in law. Take Resolution 194 for example. Israel's Statehood is dependent upon Israel allowing the refugees to return.
Suddenly the UN is meaningless, right ? Laugh.
Israeli go home. While you've still got one.
So, you'd like your country to abandon international agreements and withdraw from the United Nations ? They're just 'bunk', right ?
Rachamim;
Trial in abstentia is illegal so that rules out what you'd like to term 'capital punishment'. In fact it makes it murder and your government will be brought to book.
Israel largely ignores the UN . You reek of hypocrisy when you then cite the UN as a legal body.
Hamas decision to consider Israel an illegal entity has strong grounding in law. Take Resolution 194 for example. Israel's Statehood is dependent upon Israel allowing the refugees to return.
Suddenly the UN is meaningless, right ? Laugh.
The Palestinian Red Crescent is above your lies. The PRC is accepted by the International Red Cross and the PRC figures for fatalities are accurate. 800 Palestinians murdered since August 2004. It will all be reviewed at the war crimes trials.
Israeli go home. While you've still got one.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
rachamim18 said:
it cannot be consdier captial punishment if it is on land which has been occupied ... you lie and you lie and you lie and you lie ....
and still you cannot see that your lies are not any more true with their reapting... liar...
moono said:
Well, that's not what I said at all. Treaties signed by the executive and ratified by congress become American law unless subsequent legislation overrides that treaty or the US withdraws from the treaty absent overriding legislation. Treaties address a great many things. Some are good and some are bad. One needs to deal with them on a case by case basis.
As for the UN. Any political body that treats Sudan and New Zealand as equally valuable members has great problems. I do not advocate that the US leave it (If the US did it would collapse) but I sure would like to see the instituition improved such that violent dictatorships a la Mugabe have little to no voice until their state has demonstrated a minimum level of civility. And that requirement could be applied to a great many (probably majority) of the members.
You are simply trying to impose your own self-interests onto a democratic institution from the outside.
You, me, everybody here is still alive because of the United Nations and the foresight of those who initiated it. It would certainly NOT collapse without the membership of the United States. More likely, the United States would collapse without the security of the UN. If that wasn't likely, the US would have pulled back by now.
That's not a ME discussion really though. On topic, if you think that Israel is going to get away with its policy of extra-judicial executions then I hope we're both still around for me to say ' Told you so, numbnuts. Extra-judicial executions are criminal , just like the war-crimes judge said ' Lol.
You, me, everybody here is still alive because of the United Nations and the foresight of those who initiated it. It would certainly NOT collapse without the membership of the United States. More likely, the United States would collapse without the security of the UN. If that wasn't likely, the US would have pulled back by now.
That's not a ME discussion really though. On topic, if you think that Israel is going to get away with its policy of extra-judicial executions then I hope we're both still around for me to say ' Told you so, numbnuts. Extra-judicial executions are criminal , just like the war-crimes judge said ' Lol.
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moono said:
Not really, we're all here because the Sovier Union and NATO both had enough nuclear weapons to destroy the plannet several hundred times over and neither were stupid/brave enough to push the other side to use them.
moono said:
What? I just don't understand how hard it is to be a geocidal dictator?
Come on man. How more morally relativistic can you be. It is prefectly right, good and proper to call evil nasty petty little dictators like Mugabe evil, nasty and petty. My "outsider" status has diddly to do with that. He's a thug and so are the leaders of a large number of UN member states - and they shouldn't be (members). It sullies the institution by admitting such dispicable leaders.
moono said:
Cough cough bullshit - the US is assessed something like 25% of their "tax" or "budget" every year to pay Syria to come to NY and rack up parking tickets and pass resolutions condemning Israel.
The fact is that the most powerful nations on the planet didn't go to war because the UN prevented it - they didn't go to war because of their own initiative and engagement through diplomatic means.
Now if you have evidence of how the UN saved the world from a US USSR showdown - I'd be interested to hear about it.
The UN may have been used as a neutral forum but the state to state engangement is what mattered... still is. The UN is a fucking joke.
moono said:
You're giggling when you say that right?
What does the UN contribute to US security. The threat of getting fucked with by the US military is what keeps many nations from fucking wioth other nations.... not the UN.
The UN is lip service - it is window dressing - it is toothless - it is corrupt etc ad nauseum
moono said:
And who is going to charge these Israeli assassins with a crime?
moono said:
How are you going to assert authority to do that? With whose army will you arrest that assassin?
Israel didn't elect the mebers of the UN and as such to try an Israeli under laws it did not pass is entirely undemocratic.
As for our military - it encourages other countries not to invade their neighbors. Security exists because the threat of harm is real. States do not wish to engage in existential warfare because the risks are too great. However, isolated to the individual states - it is little risk for the more powerful to invade the less so. Again, it is the strength of that little state's buddies and the very real force that those buddies can bring to bear that will discourage that invasion. Short version - it is stupid to pick a fight with the toughest/meanest guy on the block (or his close little buddies) and rational actors will not do so.
moono said:
What keeps you busy when you're not deeply dreaming?
moono said:
So you'd be advocating a world government in the UN whose members were elected by no one and whose home states are mostly totalitarian regimes...
yeah, you would be wasting your time trying to convince me that that's a good idea
Admission to the UN should be premised on a list of conditions which would currently exclude most members.... the better option would be for the Anglo-sphere, Japan and a couple other exceptional states to form their own club and leave the totalitarians behind.
Moono: How is a sentence in absentia illegal?
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