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o'leary's left villa by "mutual consent"

:D i know very well what Midlands folks think of Villa!

This sums it up;

"Villa wont get relegated, they are too boring to manage anything as exciting as that."
 
sleaterkinney said:
Exactly, I don't know why people hate O'Leary, he did the best he could with sweet f.a. of a budget.
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He didn't have much money, it's true; but the purchases that he did make were mostly bizarre. He bought Matthieu Berson and Eric Djemba-Djemba and did not give them any real chances in the first team. He never had any passion for the club and I think getting rid of him was the right decision.
 
Macaroni Pony said:
Ellis runs the club as "business" as opposed to a football club if that makes any sense?

He says that keeping the 300 or so employees (and the families that rely on them) at Villa Park in permanent employment is his immediate concern, rather than spend millions on overpriced footballers - good sentiments and i agree to a certain extent.

He won't speculate at all though which is what frustrates fans....

Not only are Villa the only team apart from Man U and Chelsea who don't have debts, but they have a hell of a lot of land up around the training ground (by the Belfry) that could be sold off (as i understand it anyway).
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Sorry to be pedantic but man u and chelsea have huge debts. I see your point on spending millions on overpriced players. But what about a youth academy, Gareth barry was a product of it or was he brought in at a young age. With every manager villa get doug gives them 8 or 9 and then that is it. If it is paper talk and a club in the premiership get 15-20, 7 million or so will take care of 300 people + families.
 
muser said:
Sorry to be pedantic but man u and chelsea have huge debts.
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Point taken :)

Do Chelsea have debts though - i thought Abramovich bankrolls them :confused:

muser said:
With every manager villa get doug gives them 8 or 9 and then that is it. If it is paper talk and a club in the premiership get 15-20, 7 million or so will take care of 300 people + families.
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Is that £15-20m Sky money? The clubs also get paid depending on their final league positions as well don't they?

I was trying to get across the way Ellis thinks - i don't agree with the fact that he doesn't speculate and talks a load of shite.
 
Macaroni Pony said:
Point taken :)

Do Chelsea have debts though - i thought Abramovich bankrolls them :confused:



Is that £15-20m Sky money? The clubs also get paid depending on their final league positions as well don't they?

I was trying to get across the way Ellis thinks - i don't agree with the fact that he doesn't speculate and talks a load of shite.
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I know you were. But I've been argueing with lower league supporters and they feel the fans come first and the local community. doug is doing what a lower league side would do. Maybe he wants to take them down to the championship and beyond!
 
o'learys main signings in the last 2 seasons have failed:

aaron hughes 1m
eric djemba djemba 1.35m
kevin phillips 1m
milan baros 6.5m
wilfred bouma 3.5m

13.3m with little return
 
Irrespective of AVS finances, I do think you are better off without DoL at the helm - IMHO, he is a shifty, greedy sidetepping cunt more interested in his own personal enrichment than the success of the club tha has had the misfortune to employ him before he wriggles out of it and takes his fat pay off.

Wasnt it DoL who was taken to court by the inland revenue years ago when he was a player and it set a landmark jusdgement with regard to avoiding tax via tax haven shell companies ? Didnt he make maoney form his expose about Leeds off the pitch activities ? didnt he try to irresponsibly buy his way into success at Leeds, whilst backed by a criminally incompetent board ?

tha man is an utter twat. I can only sympahise with the next misguided victims that line him up for their club
 
Macaroni Pony said:
I often wonder what folks outside of the Midlands think of the Villa - do they see us as a complete joke or just with total indifference? :confused:

meh
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pity, i think - the mighty fallen.
 
maximilian ping said:
o'learys main signings in the last 2 seasons have failed:

aaron hughes 1m
eric djemba djemba 1.35m
kevin phillips 1m
milan baros 6.5m
wilfred bouma 3.5m

13.3m with little return
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I wouldn't say that Hughes and Baros have failed, exactly; although they haven't set the world alight. Phillips has been injured for much of the time. However, I'm with you on the others and you forgot Berson for £1.6 million (I think).

Sorry to be pedantic but man u and chelsea have huge debts. I see your point on spending millions on overpriced players. But what about a youth academy, Gareth barry was a product of it or was he brought in at a young age. With every manager villa get doug gives them 8 or 9 and then that is it. If it is paper talk and a club in the premiership get 15-20, 7 million or so will take care of 300 people + families.
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Barry was brought in from Brighton at the age of 16 or something like that. If we didn't have the kids who have come through from the Academy in the last two or three years (Luke Moore, Steven Davis, Liam Ridgewell, Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Gabriel Agbonlahor) then we'd have fewer then twenty players in our first team squad. But O'Leary doesn't get the credit for that; the exceptional group of youngsters pre-dates his arrival. The credit goes to Tony McAndrew and Villa legend Gordon Cowans.
 
Who next for Villa? Who would go there at the moment?

Of those mentioned in around several message boards and the like -
Allardyce - would be daft to leave a strong set up at Bolton for a shambles at Villa
Curbishley - did well at a small, well managed club. Couldn't see him working at a club so badly managed.
O'Neill - Surely too smart to go there. Ellis wouldn't pay his wages.
Roy Aiken or Gordon Cowans - cheap option.
David Platt - cheap, and rather ammusing, option.
 
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Along with others I see Villa as relegation material next term, unless Ellis sells up + retires.

As a non Midlander myself** I share Monkeygrinder's indifference to them. Don't hate them, have no particular interest in them.

Sorry! :(

**Although some say Oxford United is a 'South Midlands' ;) team ...
 
I think atkins will get a whole season to himself and then in the hopes everyone forgets, o'leary will be unveiled as the new manager. Roll on 2007/8.
 
My parents saw O'Leary at the Open golf this afternoon, so he's found something to do with his unexpected holidays :)
 
LM17 said:
My parents saw O'Leary at the Open golf this afternoon, so he's found something to do with his unexpected holidays :)
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There's a photo of him in todays Guardian being interviewed there by Radio 5 in which he was saying that he's looking forward to getting back in a job quickly and then saying that he'd been invited to the Ryder Cup and to the US PGA - which got me wondering if his next job might be as a caddy... he'd probably be better at that sort of 'club management' that the football variety!
 
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