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Oklahoma botches execution after governer denies victim right to know source of drugs...

Johnny Canuck3 said:
The logic is this: this thread is of a certain species. Call it 'Ain't Americal Awful?' A Triple A thread. :)

A thread is started about American guns/execution/obesity etc, then everyone posts about how awful it is. No doubt each individual story is probably about something deplorable, but it happens with such regularity concerning the US as opposed to any other country, that it seems like a kind of sport.

China has three to four times the US population, an economy almost as large if not larger by now, has become a major player on the world scene - and is rife with examples of corruption, unfairness, negligence, incompetence, etc etc. But almost no threads about it. Almost no threads like that about almost any other country.

It may well be a U75 tradition to do this; but it's a tradition with me when it happens, to do this.:)

Not because Americans are so good; but because nobody in the world is so good. :D
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So every time a negative news story from the US gets raised here, you'll jump right in and ward off / point out the America bashing... Even when there isn't any. That's paranoid and obtuse.

I can't really be arsed addressing your wider point in detail, - it's been done before. Shared language, cultural familiarity, the US's standing in the world etc.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
So as said earlier, lethal injection can't really be about being 'humane'.
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I think you're right. It's not really about being humane. Putting someone down fast and without pain isn't really a big trick. As has been mentioned, giving someone a huge overdose of smack would work. (or, any number of other drugs). I think the odd three-drug combos are about making sure the condemned doesn't get "high" in the process. It's a weird bit of puritanism.

That, or its about some governor showing off his big cohones for the press. :rolleyes::facepalm:
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
I think you're right. It's not really about being humane. Putting someone down fast and without pain isn't really a big trick. As has been mentioned, giving someone a huge overdose of smack would work. (or, any number of other drugs). I think the odd three-drug combos are about making sure the condemned doesn't get "high" in the process. It's a weird bit of puritanism.

That, or its about some governor showing off his big cohones for the press. :rolleyes::facepalm:
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Both, I suspect. The amount of blatantly macho posturing around death sentences (specifically in the US) is staggering.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
I think you're right. It's not really about being humane. Putting someone down fast and without pain isn't really a big trick. As has been mentioned, giving someone a huge overdose of smack would work. (or, any number of other drugs). I think the odd three-drug combos are about making sure the condemned doesn't get "high" in the process. It's a weird bit of puritanism.

That, or its about some governor showing off his big cohones for the press. :rolleyes::facepalm:
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think the combi is about knocking someone out, then using two drugs, each of which would kill, thereby giving multiple redundancy
 
I doubt the chinese are trying to be humane and scientific big dose of anesthetic followed by a round to the back of the head. So probably more humane actually.
If your going to kill someone at least do it quickly and as cleanly as possible.
Think the whole dragg it through the courts for twenty odd years and then kill them is bizarrie.

Some people are no great loss if they are killed but possibly not the states job and if your only going to kill poor people those who can afford good lawyers or do deals dont get the death sentence.
Time to give up on it, yes it satisfies some victims relatives desire for justice but knowing the bastard is looked up for the next forty years would possibly do the same and achieve closure faster than waiting 20 years on the off chance they get killed.
 
andysays said:
Thanks for your clarification too.

So presumably these drugs are patented (explaining why legitimate manufacture is limited to a few companies) and they have a legitimate purpose, their use in execution just a sideline.
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Patented drugs would be owned by one company who usually don't license to other companies in order to preserve their market. Also drugs tend to have market authorisations for limited uses (often ones proven by clinical trials) so to gain one for executions could be tricky. Not to mention the potential PR nightmare and stock price implications once it gets out the company is making drugs for executions.

ETA: Hospira, the US manufacturer who made sodium thiopental until fairly recently, are a generics manufacturer which would mean no patent is in existence for this drug and technically anybody could make it. The fact that no company wants to, at least for the purpose of executions, is striking.
 
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