Oklahoma botches execution after governer denies victim right to know source of drugs...

[SpineyNorman]

America is fucking shit though

Has Delroy Booth nicked your login or something?

 

[andysays]

It most definitely is that. However, it's also one of numerous Triple A threads. That was my point.

Hmm, I think your eagerness to make, yet again, the point that you think there are many anti-American threads and a general anti-American bias (which may perhaps have some general validity) has blinded you to the fact that the particular issue of the death penalty and the way it's carried out is a legitimate issue for discussion, in the news today because of this particular case.

Many of us find the death penalty abhorent, and regard any state which carries it out as barbaric (as opposed to the population of that state) and I for one find your suggestion that any criticism of the death penalty can only be the result of anti-Americanism both ridiculous and insulting.

Maybe you should save your "gee, poor old America's getting a bum rap again, guys" schtick for a thread where it will be more relevant. If you're right, you shouldn't have too long to wait...

 

[Bakunin]

Yes, that's what I thought. Maximum trauma for everyone.

That's never stopped them before. At the electrocution of James Wells in Arkansas in 1922 the executioner was new to the job. He had so little idea of how to work an electric chair that Wells had to be shocked twelve times at 2000 volts apiece before he actually died.

 

[Pickman's model]

i see Spiney Norman beat me to the joke

 

[SpineyNorman]

Hmm, I think your eagerness to make, yet again, the point that you think there are many anti-American threads and a general anti-American bias (which may perhaps have some general validity) has blinded you to the fact that the particular issue of the death penalty and the way it's carried out is a legitimate issue for discussion, in the news today because of this particular case.

Many of us find the death penalty abhorent, and regard any state which carries it out as barbaric (as opposed to the population of that state) and I for one find your suggestion that any criticism of the death penalty can only be the result of anti-Americanism both ridiculous and insulting.

Maybe you should save your "gee, poor old America's getting a bum rap again, guys" schtick for a thread where it will be more relevant. If you're right, you shouldn't have too long to wait...

And if he thinks there aren't enough threads about Chinese abuses of state power he could always go and fucking start some.

 

[twentythreedom]

i see Spiney Norman beat me to the joke

Free the Delroy One!

 

[butchersapron]

Look at me, being all anti-american:

Study: 1 in 25 sentenced to death may be innocent

About one in 25 people sentenced to death is likely innocent, according to a new statistical study appearing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. And that means it is all but certain that at least several of the 1,320 defendants executed since 1977 were innocent, the study says.

From 1973 to 2004, 1.6 percent of those sentenced to death in the U.S. - 138 prisoners - were exonerated and released because of innocence.
But the great majority of innocent people who are sentenced to death are never identified and freed, says professor Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan Law School, the study's lead author.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Hmm, I think your eagerness to make, yet again, the point that you think there are many anti-American threads and a general anti-American bias (which may perhaps have some general validity) has blinded you to the fact that the particular issue of the death penalty and the way it's carried out is a legitimate issue for discussion, in the news today because of this particular case.

Many of us find the death penalty abhorent, and regard any state which carries it out as barbaric (as opposed to the population of that state) and I for one find your suggestion that any criticism of the death penalty can only be the result of anti-Americanism both ridiculous and insulting.

Maybe you should save your "gee, poor old America's getting a bum rap again, guys" schtick for a thread where it will be more relevant. If you're right, you shouldn't have too long to wait...

I also disagree with the death penalty. I also think that most of the methods used, are cruel to a greater or lesser extent.

If one thinks like that, then all executions are abhorrent.

But my point still stands about Triple A threads.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And if he thinks there aren't enough threads about Chinese abuses of state power he could always go and fucking start some.

I have. They either get shouted down or ignored. I guess they aren't as sexy as the ones about the US.

On a similar note: I recently started a thread about a situation of discrimination in the US that was rapidly and effectively remedied. Also ignored.

It's as if people aren't interested unless it's negative.

 

[Pickman's model]

I also disagree with the death penalty. I also think that most of the methods used, are cruel to a greater or lesser extent.

If one thinks like that, then all executions are abhorrent.

But my point still stands about Triple A threads.

wouldn't you say that anything that kills someone is to some extent cruel?

 

[butchersapron]

I have. They either get shouted down or ignored. I guess they aren't as sexy as the ones about the US.

Stop sulking like a child ffs

 

[SpineyNorman]

I also disagree with the death penalty. I also think that most of the methods used, are cruel to a greater or lesser extent.

If one thinks like that, then all executions are abhorrent.

But my point still stands about Triple A threads.

By not posting about Chinese abuses of state power you're complicit in the predomination of triple a threads on these boards though.

Go and start some you Americophobic bastard

 

[SpineyNorman]

I have. They either get shouted down or ignored. I guess they aren't as sexy as the ones about the US.

I've never seen them. You need to do it more.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Stop sulking like a child ffs

You have the word 'sulking' on a yellow post it note glued to your screen, is my bet.

Get a thesaurus.

 

[SpineyNorman]

On a similar note: I recently started a thread about a situation of discrimination in the US that was rapidly and effectively remedied. Also ignored.

That's because it isn't interesting - or at least there's not much to debate because the matter has been settled - not because it's in America.

You're weird.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

wouldn't you say that anything that kills someone is to some extent cruel?

How about an IV drip of valium, where the strength is increased, then when the person is unconscious, begin an increasing drip of heroin to the point that vital functions shut down.

Imo some sort of method like that isn't used, because secretly, those who make these decisions want to see an element of suffering in the execution.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

That's because it isn't interesting -.

That's the point. People don't find it interesting unless it's negative/sensational.

 

[goldenecitrone]

That's the point. People don't find it interesting unless it's negative/sensational.

That's certainly what news channels worldwide rely on.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

That's certainly what news channels worldwide rely on.

So true. So: is this our version of the Daily Mail?

 

[andysays]

I have. They either get shouted down or ignored. I guess they aren't as sexy as the ones about the US.

On a similar note: I recently started a thread about a situation of discrimination in the US that was rapidly and effectively remedied. Also ignored.

It's as if people aren't interested unless it's negative.

I really haven't noticed, but next time you do, give me a shout and I'll be happy to come and criticise the Chinese state on your thread.

But for now, please give it a rest...

 

[goldenecitrone]

So true. So: is this our version of the Daily Mail?

Seems like it sometimes.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I really haven't noticed, but next time you do, give me a shout and I'll be happy to come and criticise the Chinese state on your thread...

Sorry; you'll just have to watch 'New Posts', just like everyone else.

 

[Pickman's model]

How about an IV drip of valium, where the strength is increased, then when the person is unconscious, begin an increasing drip of heroin to the point that vital functions shut down.

Imo some sort of method like that isn't used, because secretly, those who make these decisions want to see an element of suffering in the execution.

how about an iv drip of valium etc? doesn't get away from the fact that taking someone's like is cruel.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Just start with the heroin...

The weird thing is that if you want to find the best way to kill someone, examples already exist: visit Dignitas and see what they do. So as said earlier, lethal injection can't really be about being 'humane'.

 

[andysays]

Sorry; you'll just have to watch 'New Posts', just like everyone else.

Well, don't complain if your next attack on the Chinese state doesn't get the attention you think it deserves...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

how about an iv drip of valium etc? doesn't get away from the fact that taking someone's like is cruel.

Taking someone's life might be unjust. But it's possible to do it without cruelty.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Taking someone's life might be unjust. But it's possible to do it without cruelty.

I don't think it is. I really don't. 'I die tomorrow at 6 o'clock'... There's cruelty right there. The alternative, not giving them a time, 'I die at some point soon' is probably even worse.

It's not like slaughtering an animal. There can be ways of not letting the animal know what is to happen, even if it is capable of some understanding (which some animals are).

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yeah, I suppose knowing that one will be executed, brings with it mental suffering.

But to this point, we were discussing methods of execution.

 

[Pickman's model]

Taking someone's life might be unjust. But it's possible to do it without cruelty.

yeh you just take everything they ever were and everything they ever might be and feel smug about yourself because you didn't make them suffer the death of a thousand cuts.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

And if he thinks there aren't enough threads about Chinese abuses of state power he could always go and fucking start some.

That would be racist:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...ese-labor-is-near.252774/page-3#post-11004391