Oh my fucking lord, they are making Independence Day 2!!!

[QueenOfGoths]

It's a satire on a fascist society.

And pretty nazis are hawt.

Yup - plus it has big fuck off bug aliens, Michael Ironside, bloody violence, Casper Van Diem's naked arse and huge explosions. Plus a baddie bug that looks like a minge.

All you could ever want in a film realy

 

[strung out]

and tits

 

[QueenOfGoths]

and tits

Yep - tits too!

 

[DotCommunist]

Have you actually read the Heinlein book?

many years ago. Long before I had an 'objective' take. Y'know when your young you read shit at face value.

Later in life I read a series of his essays which led me to think hienlen may not be unsypathetic to teh fash
In fact I had a mad drunken row about this with canuck a few years ago

 

[kabbes]

I'm a big Heinlein fan -- I've got a tonne of his books, mostly out of print. The guy was a stark raving nutter, but a brilliant one. He mixes rank old-school American Waco-style mentalism with real flashes of insight and understanding. And through it all is a great yarn.

But the one thing he is NOT is fash. He is the exact opposite. He absolutely DETESTS large government. He's all about the individual survivalism, (preferably in polygamous and incestuous families). He's deeply suspicious of all and any attempts to organise in any group larger than a small collective. It's a constant theme in his books.

So tut tut -- you should areally have a bit more understanding of your source material and critically read the actual thing you're criticising before you start throwing around such accusations. Starship Troopers is deeper, cleverer and more critical of fascism than the film is. It's just more subtle. The film itself, incidentally, deals with events that are a single chapter in the book.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm a big Heinlein fan -- I've got a tonne of his books, mostly out of print. The guy was a stark raving nutter, but a brilliant one. He mixes rank old-school American Waco-style mentalism with real flashes of insight and understanding. And through it all is a great yarn.

But the one thing he is NOT is fash. He is the exact opposite. He absolutely DETESTS large government. He's all about the individual survivalism, (preferably in polygamous and incestuous families). He's deeply suspicious of all and any attempts to organise in any group larger than a small collective. It's a constant theme in his books.

So tut tut -- you should areally have a bit more understanding of your source material and critically read the actual thing you're criticising before you start throwing around such accusations. Starship Troopers is deeper, cleverer and more critical of fascism than the film is. It's just more subtle. The film itself, incidentally, deals with events that are a single chapter in the book.

maybe I'll revisit the book then.

His essays and rants about sitting around naked toting guns and avoiding tax just make him look like your typical american waco waiting to happen. And he was anti communist.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Independence Day was a terrible film. We've been really spoiled for big action films this decade ID4 is a reminder of how poor the 90s was in that respect...

 

[kabbes]

Oh, rabidly anti-communist. Big government, see? But he was just as much anti-globalised capitalism. He was a died-in-the-wool anarchist, for a particular brand of anarchism.

I love Heinlein so very, very much. You don't have to agree with all of his nutbar politics to enjoy his stories and also to revel in his real understanding of art, science and human endeavour. He thinks nothing of spending five pages on a mad tangent about what makes Rodin such a good sculptor. And his predictions for social change were absolutely remarkable in their prescience given the time he was writing. He writes in the 1950s about future societies in which women are absolutely the equal of men, which must have seemed completely mental at the time.

 

[PacificOcean]

It's my effing thread, matey!

I have seen bits and bobs of ST but not all the way through - total failing on my part, I know...I heard it was pretty nazi when it came out and let that put me off. I'll get on it asap.

It's on Five about twice a week.

You'll catch it at some point!

 

[Macabre]

In ID2 I suppose they will all be huddling in bunkers hiding from the nuclear fall-out cause when they fired the nukes at the ships. Or they will just white wash that out like they did at the end of the film when the president gave his press report outside.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm a big Heinlein fan -- I've got a tonne of his books, mostly out of print. The guy was a stark raving nutter, but a brilliant one. He mixes rank old-school American Waco-style mentalism with real flashes of insight and understanding. And through it all is a great yarn.

But the one thing he is NOT is fash. He is the exact opposite. He absolutely DETESTS large government. He's all about the individual survivalism, (preferably in polygamous and incestuous families). He's deeply suspicious of all and any attempts to organise in any group larger than a small collective. It's a constant theme in his books.

So tut tut -- you should areally have a bit more understanding of your source material and critically read the actual thing you're criticising before you start throwing around such accusations. Starship Troopers is deeper, cleverer and more critical of fascism than the film is. It's just more subtle. The film itself, incidentally, deals with events that are a single chapter in the book.

Ha! yes I can see now why the bits about societal set up on the moon made me go 'WTF' when I read Moon is a Harsh Mistress

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Yeah, he's a rightwinger, but not a fascist per se... More a US style RW Nutjob by the sound of it

 

[kyser_soze]

cause when they fired the nukes at the ships

1 nuke, over Dallas, which has already been flattened. All the other missiles that were fired at the motherships were AIM-9s and AIM120/132 AMRAAMs.

Not nukes.

 

[kabbes]

Ha! yes I can see now why the bits about societal set up on the moon made me go 'WTF' when I read Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Oh, you should read the stuff that is no longer in print!

Actually, for maximum WTF you should really read "Time Enough To Love". Amongst other WTF moments: a man clones himself, changes one Y chromosome to an X and creates female twins, who he then brings up as his daughters, who subsequently seduce him. And this is presented as a wholesome thing.

Although I also have a fondness for the book in which an old man is regenerated as a young woman and seeks to, er, make the most of it. The name of that escapes me for the moment.

 

[Sadken]

Independence Day was a terrible film. We've been really spoiled for big action films this decade ID4 is a reminder of how poor the 90s was in that respect...

 

[kabbes]

Heinlein is reponsible for possibly my favourite piece of prose in all of literature, by the way. From the peerless The Door Into Summer. Here it is, and I don't apologise for its length. If you fail to like this then there is something wrong with you.

Pete is the cat, as becomes clear.

Pete usually used his own door except when he could bully me into opening a people door for him, which he preferred. But he would not use his door when there was snow on the ground.

While still a kitten, all fluff and buzzes, Pete had worked out a simple philosophy. I was in charge of quarters, rations, and weather; he was in charge of everything else. But he held me especially responsible for weather. Connecticut winters are good only for Christmas cards; regularly that winter Pete would check his own door, refuse to go out it because of that unpleasant white stuff beyond it (he was no fool), then badger me to open a people door.

He had a fixed conviction that at least one of them must lead into summer weather. Each time this meant that I had to go around with him to each of eleven doors, hold it open while he satisfied himself that it was winter out that way, too, then go on to the next door, while his criticisms of my mismanagement grew more bitter with each disappointment.

Then he would stay indoors until hydraulic pressure utterly forced him outside. When he returned the ice in his pads would sound like little clogs on the wooden floor and he would glare at me and refuse to purr until he had chewed it all out… whereupon he would forgive me until the next time.

But he never gave up his search for the Door into Summer.

 

[gosub]

From the OP article
""Describing the project as being in "limbo", Emmerich added that he and producer Devlin have figured out a "very cool" sequel plotline to the 1996 box office hit."

Independence Day 2 - THIS TIME THEY HAVE A FIREWALL!!!
doesn't sound very cool to me

 

[Balbi]

Independence Day, a film for whooping up mental Yanks into fierce white patriotic pride - where the day is saved by a black guy and a jew

 

[Augie March]

Looks like not only could there be a sequel, but a threequel too...I mean, three.

 

[T & P]

Independence Day 2 - THIS TIME THEY HAVE A FIREWALL!!!

 

[The Octagon]

According to Empire this month, Will Smith is the only one still 'holding out' from the original cast.

He's a 'serious artist' now.

 

[elevendayempire]

Independence Day, a film for whooping up mental Yanks into fierce white patriotic pride - where the day is saved by a black guy and a jew

I saw the film in Dublin. People cheered during the President's speech.

 

[Yata]

bumping this cause 2 has a release date

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/independence-day-2-has-two-different-scripts-to-cover/324706

July 2015

loved the first one tryed to get in to see it with some mates from school but i was only 10 and wearing a massive super mario top (ridiculed for years after) anyway we didnt get in and went to see Phenomenom instead (Travolta) so when i finally saw ID it was pretty much the best film ever made compared with that.

its pretty cheesey but honestly how does anyone watch this and take it seriously? in either a positive or negative way that is? Its a ridiculous summer blockbuster set in a fantasy world. none of the characters are believable or even supposed to be.
best part in the movie, whenever anything explodes. that part where the white house blows up? not bad on a pc monitor but in a cinema it was epic and thats all these movies are about.

only thing i dont want for ID2 is too much flying, done enough of that in the first one and could get a bit old

 

[SpookyFrank]

According to Empire this month, Will Smith is the only one still 'holding out' from the original cast.

He's a 'serious artist' now.

Yeah, I can tell how serious he is from his appearances in Men in Black 3, Hancock, After Earth, I Am Legend, I Robot, Men in Black 2...

 

[SpookyFrank]

its pretty cheesey but honestly how does anyone watch this and take it seriously? in either a positive or negative way that is? Its a ridiculous summer blockbuster set in a fantasy world. none of the characters are believable or even supposed to be.
best part in the movie, whenever anything explodes. that part where the white house blows up? not bad on a pc monitor but in a cinema it was epic and thats all these movies are about.

It is ridiculous but it works in a way comparable blockbuster movies these days really don't. I put this down to the fact that back in 1996 it wasn't possible to throw in unlimited amounts of CGI space battles so they had to fill up a big chunk of the film with human drama and suspense. The human drama stuff wasn't exactly Shakespeare, but compared to some of the woeful sci-fi scripts that get green lighted in Hollywood these days it might as well have been.

The production design and direction were also unusually good for a big dumb blockbuster IIRC. There are a few moments of Spielberg-esque brilliance. Mostly what I like about it is that it's not cynical, it feels like a film that everyone involved worked hard on. So many comparable movies these days feel like they were phoned in, particularly with the characterisation and dialogue.

 

[SpookyFrank]

that part where the white house blows up? not bad on a pc monitor but in a cinema it was epic and thats all these movies are about.

That was a proper model shot too, filmed in 10x slow motion. IIRC to get it right they suspended the whole set vertically so the fire was moving downwards. Nobody would bother doing that any more, they'd just use CGI.

 

[dylanredefined]

How can you say no to more of this?

 

[Reno]

It is ridiculous but it works in a way comparable blockbuster movies these days really don't. I put this down to the fact that back in 1996 it wasn't possible to throw in unlimited amounts of CGI space battles so they had to fill up a big chunk of the film with human drama and suspense. The human drama stuff wasn't exactly Shakespeare, but compared to some of the woeful sci-fi scripts that get green lighted in Hollywood these days it might as well have been.

The production design and direction were also unusually good for a big dumb blockbuster IIRC. There are a few moments of Spielberg-esque brilliance. Mostly what I like about it is that it's not cynical, it feels like a film that everyone involved worked hard on. So many comparable movies these days feel like they were phoned in, particularly with the characterisation and dialogue.

LOL

 

[SpookyFrank]

LOL

It has to be said that since Independence Day Roland Emmerich has directed some of the very worst big budget disaster movies the world has ever seen. I though that The Day After Tomorrow was the worst film it was possible to make, until I watched 2012 which somehow managed to be the same film only worse.

 

[Reno]

It has to be said that since Independence Day Roland Emmerich has directed some of the very worst big budget disaster movies the world has ever seen. I though that The Day After Tomorrow was the worst film it was possible to make, until I watched 2012 which somehow managed to be the same film only worse.

I thought all the things you think are good for a film of its type were incredibly poorly handled. It set a new low for blockbusters at the time. The dialogue and characterisation were truly abysmal and your average superhero flick of today has better characterisation than ID4's witless parade of stereotypes. To suggest Emmerich is anywhere near in the same ballpark as Spielberg as a director is laughable.

2012 is the only film of his I sort of like, because it goes so far OTT that it can't be taken as anything else than some sort of absurdist comedy and its special effects are actually beautifully designed in their excess. The Russians in that film were also the first characters in an Emmerich film that were remotely interesting.