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I'm not apologising because it is increasingly looking like most of them have done little/nothing wrong.

Very few have spoken out against a massively corrupt system which they are now desparately trying to repudiate.

Do you seriously think MPs are the only people who get allowances on top of their salaries?

Not sure how you can conclude thats what Im saying from what I wrote? :confused: but anyway, I think plenty of other people in powerful positions also use allowances and expenses to snidely top up their salary - that in no way excuses MP's.
 
The problem is that the rules on expenses are too vague. So MPs interpreted them themselves as 'let's all take the piss'. Those within the rules, however obscene, will probably get away with it, but those caught actually cheating (non-existant mortgages etc) will probably not.

I know a few people who used to do the paperwork to *creatively hide* expenses. Low-paid admin staff who didn't dare blow the whistle. They got laid off. Now look.
 
I wouldn't usually advance this argument, but if they feel that they don't get paid enough, they're more than welcome to find jobs elsewhere. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want MPs who are in it for the money. In spite of all the whingeing, they get paid a lot better than most people in this country, which is fine given that the vast majority of them work hard in the interests of their constituents. The trouble is, it really sticks in people's craws when this highly privileged group of people are shown to be taking the piss and abusing the trust of the electorate and then turn round and blame the system which they created to pay and supervise their expenses. I have no problem with MPs being well paid for as long as the current system lasts, as we don't want them to have to look elsewhere for a top-up; however they should not be seeking to become rich through being an MP, either via their salary or their expenses.
 
The media scrutiny is essential, and the media's role although cynical and out for profit, is in this case furthering the aims of democracy.

Most MP's have not really done anything expenses-wise that I disagree with.

The problem is the archaic Westminster system. In Scotland they have complete transparency, so every claim is published online. If a dodgy claim was made the media could then jump on it. The Welsh system is also moving towards this model.

I do think MP's are paid slightly too much but as a Welsh nationalist am not concerned about that because our MP's can divert some of their wages to the cause.

All three of the Plaid MP's have not done anything wrong. We are not a right-wing anti-immigrant party so can't capitalise on things like UKIP and the BNP have, but we are a destination for non-racist protest votes and might even finish top in Wales which would be incredible.
 
They're also paid a lot more than most headteachers. The headteachers who get paid more are those who head up inner London secondaries that are coming out of special measures, and then the wage depends on the size of the school.

If an MP has extra duties (like a headteacher having extra work because of the kind of school), then the MP is paid more.

It's a crap comparison, but it's one I saw a columnist in the Independent make the other day. He even had the gall to suggest that the wage is so low that it puts ordinary people off the job and only people who are already millionaires can afford to subsist on it.

That columnist should get a little more experience of the real world before he's ever given the chance to write another column or, indeed, offer his opinion in any sphere whatsoever.

Are you him? :hmm:

Hehe 64K is so low it puts people off? How do they imagine we ever get anyone to do a demanding job that pays less ?? (Nursing, teaching etc)

I'd like to know of another job where people can claim expenses for so many things as MPs. For a start they get to claim for food. Isn't that what a salary is for?
 
I can't belive the Telegraph have forced Nadine Dorries' blog off air!!

Google cache is still up if you google it.

"this is all a power game. The British public are being worked like puppets by two very powerful men. Whipped up into a frenzy to achieve exactly what they want."
 
They should earn a hell of a lot less, and be barred from extra earnings via directorships etc.

The decision to stand should be based on a sense of 'calling', not finance.


That's leaving aside the fact that none of them have got the right to assume authority in the first fucking place.
 
"this is all a power game. The British public are being worked like puppets by two very powerful men. Whipped up into a frenzy to achieve exactly what they want."

Yes thats us - puppets.

We're clearly being hoodwinked into thinking that our political system is a self-pepetuating, corrupt, anarchonistic sham which serves to insitutionalise powerful elites, enrich and corrupt our so called 'representatives' and utterly disempower the rest of us.

How could we be so stupid as to fall for that obvious distortion?
 
I'm not apologising because it is increasingly looking like most of them have done little/nothing wrong.

Do you seriously think MPs are the only people who get allowances on top of their salaries?
Others don't set the tax laws to make sure those expenses are exempt from the taxman.
 
Hehe 64K is so low it puts people off? How do they imagine we ever get anyone to do a demanding job that pays less ?? (Nursing, teaching etc)

I'd like to know of another job where people can claim expenses for so many things as MPs. For a start they get to claim for food. Isn't that what a salary is for?
Err, me for a start. When I'm away on site I can claim for reasonable meal claims (limits on alcohol and expected to be reasonable). When I was up in Manchester last year I was staying in a hired apartment and was claiming for food because that was cheaper than going out each night. When I put those claims in it had to be a full receipt and explain roughly how many meals it provided, so I couldn't kick the backside out of it.
 
Expenses versus Allowance.

Deliberate confusing use of terminoligy by the media imo.

Expenses require reciepts, allowances normally do not.
When I did long distance, night out driving, I was allocated an allowance for each night I was going to spend away from home.
What I did with that money was down to me I never had to produce reciepts apart from if I payed for overnight parking at a truck stop then I could claim it back from my boss.
Funny thing was, so many of the smaller truck stops used to charge say £5 but put £8 -10 on the ticket knowing that I would spend the 'extra' on food.
Did I play the 'system?
Too damn right I did!
Anyone wish to castigate me?


As far as I can ascertain, this allowance system was set up during the leadership of our glorious Margret , in order to award an under the counter pay rise for M.P's.

Funny how many times policies set up under that woman come back to bite us years later (Blairs pfi will be doing the same)

Anyone actually recall any sustained publicity /media interest prior to the credit crunch?

The John Lewis list was a classic piece of distraction /spin/ total bullshit from our investigatative media.
The simple truth concerning the so called John Lewis list was , wait for it!

The fees office needed a set of guide prices for household ltems.

ERGO
Middle class shop for middle class MP's.
They could just as easily chosen Argos but that doesn't have the same cache as John Lewis does it?
If John Lewis sells an item for £50 and MP X claims £60 for said item = questions asked BUT if MP X claims £49 = claim passed.


System open to obvious massive abuse, BUT I feel it a bit difficult to really lay blame upon any MP who, when entering parliament ,is presented with such a system.
Moral compass my ass btw!
So many times the same refrain comes back 'the claim was passed by the fees office'
The Freedom of Information Act allows us access to the REAL cost of our MP's but unless a dose of reality kicks in and questions are asked of previous administrations allowance claims we will not really progress past the 'righteous indignation' stage.

Think about it logically, why now?

What is being hidden underneath the fog of daily disclosures?

The most apposite quote I can think of is 'It is a good day to bury bad news'
 
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