Obama would never become Prime Minister of Britain because of Racism
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It sure is, and it's pish to beleive that Phillips himself hasn't been a benifiicary of forms of it it in his long career in various institutions. Criticisms like that carry far far more weight from someone whose really been locked totally out. This rings hollow and stinks of political expediency.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm afraid New Labour are already bigging up Lammy for 2012.
They may well be - and this may well be Phillip's early response.
My point wasnt a party political one, just that once Widdecombe said it, it stuck. Big hooked nose, vampire teeth, blood dripping.
Perhaps it was unconscious imagery. *shrugs*
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
As I said upthread, Trevor being Mandelsons' bezzer mate then moaning about Old Boys Networks takes some chutzpah.
Viz also the bigging up of Trev for the past five years in the Observer, followed by Kamal Ahmed, resigning in disgrace after the Nick Davies book, taking a 100k plus job as, er, Trev's publicist.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Absolutely. You, VP and IJ have made all the points that i wanted to.
My honest opinion is it was unconscious Catholic anti-semitism on Widdecombe's part. But you're right, it stuck.
Don't let that put the kaboosh on knocking Trev, though!
Having met him a few times, he really is a slimy scumbag.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Meaning that if you lie down with dogs like Mandelson you get fleas, and Vaz did over the Hinduja passports affair.
We won't go into the most recent claim of poor judgement on his part september 2008), as I believe it's sub judice.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
Given that change is often a slow, protracted process, and genuine revolutions are exceedingly rare, would it not be pragmatic to assume that someone who doesn't fit the conventional profile of a politician (such as a non-white, non-public school educated person) might have no choice but to indoctrinate themselves, to a certain extent, in the old school, old boy network world, in order to actually get anywhere? Certainly it smacks of sleeping with the enemy, but if the ends justify the means? Not that I'm saying that directly applies to Trevor Philips, but as a general principle it might be the only way to get more diversity into the upper echelons of government...?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I considered this too...you know I can see an almost conspiraloonary angle here.
<mad speculation mode>
We know TP is a Blairite/Neo Labour man, we know he's skilled at making headlines. The one thing this has done is get lots of BME Labour types on TV basically saying this is wrong and Labour have had better BME representation than the other parties etc. Perhaps this is just some dog whistle tactic to add to the pro Labour/pro mainstream 'left' angling this week (Obama victory, Glenrothes etc) to put the Tories on the spot and make them look utterly out touch socially as well economically?
I mean this story has run high up the running order on both the BBC and Sky all day and it's TP and Labour putting up a fairly convincing defence but from the Tories...silence. No one defending them or saying what they're doing (I think they have more BME candidates than Labour for Parliamentary seats).
There's talk of a plan to seduce what's now being called the 'Love Actually' middle classes back on the back of Obama (allowing Labour to talk in more traditional terms foreign policy wise), perhaps this is part of that?
</mad speculation mode>
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for Streatham, tipped as a future cabinet minister.
Wolveryeti
Detty Pig
I really reckon Trevor Philips should have established that there is someone of the calibre of Obama within politics before doing his usual boy crying wolf impression.
I think you are reading way too much in to things, QT was from London and had a very multi-cultural audience indeed, I saw no wave of 'fear' or apprehension'
btw the LP has 15% of BEM's lined up for safe seats in the next election, so the HP will look very different next time, and yes that might cause some concern.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Did I say that, or are you just being a bit of a twat?
By the way, the answer is that you're being a bit of a twat.
I'm not happy having any corrupt or dodgy person in government, whether it's Mandelson, Vaz or anyone else. Mandelson should have had some kind of "life-time ban" from Parliament, along with Blinky Blunkett.
Have I told you that you're a twat?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Although, on his form up until now, I'm not sure why, unless being a lawyer is some kind of entree to ministerial rank.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I've seen him perform better elsewhere, his outing today was a bit all over the place and not typical from what I can tell...
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
well, Mandelson is now back after all
Gordon Brown's spurious claim to integrity lost all credence at that point. Mandelson is the worst kind of filth. This debases the honours system so thoroughly, that I feel that anyone with a shred of conscience, will henceforth reject a gong from Brown.
They wont though.
I considered this too...you know I can see an almost conspiraloonary angle here.
<mad speculation mode>
We know TP is a Blairite/Neo Labour man, we know he's skilled at making headlines. The one thing this has done is get lots of BME Labour types on TV basically saying this is wrong and Labour have had better BME representation than the other parties etc. Perhaps this is just some dog whistle tactic to add to the pro Labour/pro mainstream 'left' angling this week (Obama victory, Glenrothes etc) to put the Tories on the spot and make them look utterly out touch socially as well economically?
I mean this story has run high up the running order on both the BBC and Sky all day and it's TP and Labour putting up a fairly convincing defence but from the Tories...silence. No one defending them or saying what they're doing (I think they have more BME candidates than Labour for Parliamentary seats).
There's talk of a plan to seduce what's now being called the 'Love Actually' middle classes back on the back of Obama (allowing Labour to talk in more traditional terms foreign policy wise), perhaps this is part of that?
</mad speculation mode>
Not mad at all. That's exactly what I meant when I said 'we've cracked it' - it's Trev trying to head Lammy off at the pass for 2012 Labour nomination, on the gathering storm of 'there's not enough black representation'.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
What a choice, Trevor Phillips or David Lammy...
It's only that choice if you're an unthinking Labour voter. Neither would get my vote, and nor would Boris, obviously.
i'm not so sure.. Labours problem is with its white working class vote some who without meaning to over play this point are now voting bnp i think a lammy v boris would just be another non excercise in democracy In any case whatever we thing of obama he has a great voice/accent while lammy would just come over as posh while boris would get a second term but on the bright side the bnp would not do as well and would probably lose there seat as the people who voted for them would probably vote boris instead just to stop lammy becoming mayor still i take the point that he will probably be labours candidate
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