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[TAE]

1.Does your opinion count for every religion, or only for Islam?
2.How can you measure my intellect in order to come to you flawless conclusion?
3.How do you manage to do that for every Muslim on this globe?
4. How come you didn't get a nomination for the Nobel Prize?

Please ask yourself those kinds of questions before you insult everyone who has converted from islam to christianity.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Aldebaran, your posts on this thread reveal that you are a true follower of Islam, which shouldn't come as a surprise. However, it seems to me that on other threads, you have either ignored my questions altogether, or dissembled in answering questions, concerning your belief on dar al islam vs dar al harb, and on the commandment that the faithful will convert the nonbelievers, through use of the sword if necessary.

Based on the revelation of your beliefs, it seems it can be safely said that as with other things, you are onside with islamic teachings on these issues.

 

[friedaweed]

Isn't that a bit of a loaded question, given Rentonite's oft-expressed views about "homies"?

Funny there's no reply yet

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Isn't that a bit of a loaded question, given Rentonite's oft-expressed views about "homies"?

I was just wondering.

 

[nino_savatte]

it seems to me that on other threads, you have either ignored my questions altogether, or dissembled in answering questions,

This sounds just like you, Johnny. Ever hear of the saying "Practise what you preach"? It seems to me that you could learn from it.

 

[Fruitloop]

Please ask yourself those kinds of questions before you insult everyone who has converted from islam to christianity.

Why not insult them? The fucking muppets.

 

[TAE]

You don't think they're muppets because they rejected islam, do you ?

 

[Aldebaran]

Aldebaran, your posts on this thread reveal that you are a true follower of Islam, which shouldn't come as a surprise. However, it seems to me that on other threads, you have either ignored my questions altogether, or dissembled in answering questions, concerning your belief on dar al islam vs dar al harb, and on the commandment that the faithful will convert the nonbelievers, through use of the sword if necessary.

JC, why do you always have to fall back on such silly comments, the minute I start taking you for a serious poster who occasionally comes up with legitimate - be it not always unprejudiced - questions and remarks on Ilsam and Muslims (and their practices)?
Notwithstanding precedents in the course of Islamic history, where Muslims - especially rulers and others of power - abused their position to violate the commands of Al Qur'an, the myths of "use of the sword" myth and "forcible conversion" are outdated Western concepts.

It wpould be the same if I said that all interaction between European and the Islamic powers had as only goal the conversion of Muslims to Christianity, if necessary by the sword. Of course this happened (I don't even have to mention the crusades or the Reconquista periods) but far more prevalent during all these interactions were economical and political strategies and power games.

Based on the revelation of your beliefs, it seems it can be safely said that as with other things, you are onside with islamic teachings on these issues.

See above.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

I shall come back to this thread later.

salaam.

 

[exosculate]

I shall come back to this thread later.

salaam.

How exciting

 

[exosculate]

Hilary/Obama/The Democrats/The Republicans - are all a waste of space - who cares who runs and who wins?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This is the speech that started to change my mind about Edwards:



Matt

Indeed. But then he might be just sensing the change in the political winds meaning he can stand up and apologise for backing the war and look like a trust able politician.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

This sounds just like you, Johnny. Ever hear of the saying "Practise what you preach"? It seems to me that you could learn from it.

Mind your own business, butthead.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It wpould be the same if I said that all interaction between European and the Islamic powers had as only goal the conversion of Muslims to Christianity, if necessary by the sword. Of course this happened (I don't even have to mention the crusades or the Reconquista periods) but far more prevalent during all these interactions were economical and political strategies and power games.



See above.

salaam.

I'd suggest that the muslim and christian societies are different at the present time, in terms of the position played by religion in their various societies. Seems to me that christian societies are much more 'secular' at the present time, although it hasn't always been so.

Also, if you read what I said with care, you'll see that my comment was directed at you personally, and wasn't a generalized statement about the behaviour of islamic societies.

I was giving my opinion that you were a doctrinaire muslim and that as such, I was making the assumption that you espoused the muslim beliefs concerning the distinction between dar al islam and dar al harb, as well as the koranic prescriptions on converting the unfaithful.

 

[nino_savatte]

Mind your own business, butthead.

Go fuck yourself, you dickheaded hypocrite. You tell others to do things that you would never dream of...like answer questions or deal with points....or tell the truth.

You're a quite an expert dissembler, as it happens.

 

[nino_savatte]

Hilary/Obama/The Democrats/The Republicans - are all a waste of space - who cares who runs and who wins?

For the US electorate, it's like the choice between Coke and Pepsi.

 

[Aldebaran]

2) It's a gift.

People who claim to have "gifts" don't come across as credible to me.

4) At what point did being smarter than someone who belives in sky faries become an award category?

You said that you think you have a gift, hence my question about nomination for the Nobel Prize for your exceptional research results was answered.

Now for you: How do you tell the difference between rules inflicted upon you for health and saftey reasons that are no longer valid and the will of god?.../... etc... etc...

1.What is "inflicted" on me and what is no longer valid and what is becoming increasingly irrelevant?
2. Why would it bother you what my beliefs are (or what they are not)?

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Being Christian isn't a birth defect, FFS.

Who said it is? My mother was Christian.

Gullibe fool if you're a Christian?

No, a gullible fool -at the very least- if you are Muslim and *then* can come to believe that God had a human as His son.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Please ask yourself those kinds of questions before you insult everyone who has converted from islam to christianity.

I said that such people can only insult their own intellect. They can agree or disagree with my assessment.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

I was giving my opinion that you were a doctrinaire muslim and that as such, I was making the assumption that you espoused the muslim beliefs concerning the distinction between dar al islam and dar al harb, as well as the koranic prescriptions on converting the unfaithful.

What is a "doctrinair Muslim" in your worldview.
What is the connection you make between that label and the concepts you describe.
If you tear Quranix texts into your argument, provide for reference for your reading. It is not my task to start quoting everything I suppose you *might* refer to.

How can I answer anything if you are that vague concerning your own frame of reference?

salaam.

 

[Bob_the_lost]

People who claim to have "gifts" don't come across as credible to me.
salaam.

Oh the bitter irony.

 

[TAE]

I said that such people can only insult their own intellect.

No, you insulted them yourself by calling them 'gullible fool'.

No, a gullible fool -at the very least- if you are Muslim and *then* can come to believe that God had a human as His son.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Go fuck yourself, you dickheaded hypocrite. You tell others to do things that you would never dream of...like answer questions or deal with points....or tell the truth.

You're a quite an expert dissembler, as it happens.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

What is a "doctrinair Muslim" in your worldview.
What is the connection you make between that label and the concepts you describe.
If you tear Quranix texts into your argument, provide for reference for your reading. It is not my task to start quoting everything I suppose you *might* refer to.

How can I answer anything if you are that vague concerning your own frame of reference?

salaam.

You know what I'm talking about; we've even had a brief discussion about the meaning of 'dar al harb', on one of those few occasions that you didn't duck the question.

Fact is that by admitting that you'd consider an islamic convert to christianity a gullible fool, helps us to identify where it is that you're coming from.

Sooner or later, everyone like you who comes here, slips up.

 

[nino_savatte]

Ah, the smiley of agreement.

 

[nino_savatte]

Sooner or later, everyone like you who comes here, slips up.

Speaking from experience, Canuckleheid?

 

[Aldebaran]

You know what I'm talking about; we've even had a brief discussion about the meaning of 'dar al harb', on one of those few occasions that you didn't duck the question.

I know what you refer to. You on the other hand seem to have a problem to answer my quesitons.

Fact is that by admitting that you'd consider an islamic convert to christianity a gullible fool, helps us to identify where it is that you're coming from.

I don't see why your use the word "admitting" here. What is ther to "admit" about a statement I so clearly made?
Where I come from when I comment on subject concerning Islam is my poiont of view as Muslim and Islamic scholar, which I made clear enough. Hence absolutely *everyone* who ever read my posts on this board knows it.
That makes your next comment very odd:

Sooner or later, everyone like you who comes here, slips up.

Laughable at the very least, don't you think?

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, you insulted them yourself by calling them 'gullible fool'.

No, every former Muslim who knows the very basics of the religion - even if his kowledge about it doesn't go any further then just that - converted to Chrsitianity and then reads my comment knows very well *what* I refer to. They are free to disagree. I would invite them to open a discussion about it

salaam.

 

[TAE]

No

Yes, you did.

 

[nick1181]

What is a "doctrinair Muslim" in your worldview.
What is the connection you make between that label and the concepts you describe.
If you tear Quranix texts into your argument, provide for reference for your reading. It is not my task to start quoting everything I suppose you *might* refer to.

How can I answer anything if you are that vague concerning your own frame of reference?

salaam.

Quranix?

Wasn't that a character from Astrix?

I didn't think Muslims were allowed to use the letter x?