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Julie said:I've said it for ages: Hillary for Prez
Oh, and Obama for Vice-Prez
I'd vote for that.
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I'd vote for that.
I think Hilary Clinton is set to get the nomination, but I find it funny that a not-completely-White candidate is under attack for something else then his colour.
It looks as if it is now really *that* compulsory to be Christian if you run for the presidency in the USA, that nobody sees anything wrong with it that a candidate has to explicitely confirm his Christianity himself.
On the other hand, if his father is Muslim worthy the name his children are raised Muslim.
Any Muslim who lets himself be lured into converting to Christianity is -at the very least- a gullible fool.
From which follows the observation that someone who can show such inconsistent behaviour when it comes to a fundamental issue like his religion would make a very dubious choice to lead a nation. Let alone a nation like the USA.
salaam.
It looks as if it is now really *that* compulsory to be Christian if you run for the presidency in the USA, that nobody sees anything wrong with it that a candidate has to explicitely confirm his Christianity himself.
On the other hand, if his father is Muslim worthy the name his children are raised Muslim.
Any Muslim who lets himself be lured into converting to Christianity is -at the very least- a gullible fool.
From which follows the observation that someone who can show such inconsistent behaviour when it comes to a fundamental issue like his religion would make a very dubious choice to lead a nation. Let alone a nation like the USA.
salaam.
Johnny Canuck3
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Yuwipi Woman
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True colors indeed.
Its my understanding that his father abandoned the family when he was two and eventually moved back to Kenya.
Its my understanding that his father abandoned the family when he was two and eventually moved back to Kenya.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
well he is black with an arabic sounding name, i wouldn't have thought he'd get the democratic nomination with those two factors, then again, I wouldn't have thought a woman would get it either, at the moment it looks like a 2 way fight between them two for the nomination, it might end up with hilary winning and taking him as the vp nominee?
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Yuwipi Woman said:
I was referring to Aldebaran's comments about muslims converting to christianity.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
What about Jews who convert to <shudder> Xtianity? They are gullible fools imo.
Bob_the_lost
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Come on, any Muslim who doesn't give religion itself up as a primitive waste of time is a gullible fool.Aldebaran said:
*waves packet of streaky bacon at Aldebaran*
Yuwipi Woman
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
Yes, I was agreeing with that. Aldebaran has proved himself be an apologist with some less savory hidden views.
(He said that no good Muslim father would let his son grow up to be anything but muslim. I was pointing out how Obama's father handled his these responsibilities -- or rather did not handle them.)
Yuwipi Woman
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Bob_the_lost said:
There's no need for that.
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
marty21 said:
I have a funny feeling neither of them will end up winning the Democrat nomination. I just don't think either would be remotely electable in vast areas of the country and that the Dems will get cold feet the closer we get to polling. The Democrats have a fantastic chance of winning the White House this time and they won't take any risks, especially as their candidate is likely to come up against eminently electable opponents such as war hero John McCain or 9/11 NY mayor Rudi Giuliani, who's moderate enough to appeal to Democrats and floating voters.
My money's on John Edwards, although even he might be seen as 'damaged goods' following his VP candidacy in 2004.
Yuwipi Woman
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No, I don't see either of them winning the nomination. Mrs. Clinton has way too much baggage (not all of her own creation) tagging along. Mr. Obama looks promising, but he's untested and oh so young. I could see either one as a VP nomination.
John Edwards is the likely candidate. The problem with him before was that he was so damn pretty no one found him believable. Personally, I think he's a bit oily, but he probably has the best chance of winning.
John Edwards is the likely candidate. The problem with him before was that he was so damn pretty no one found him believable. Personally, I think he's a bit oily, but he probably has the best chance of winning.
I used to really dislike Edwards. Since he's announced this time, however, I'm starting to turn around on him. Definitely not my ideal candidate - but he's actually (shock! horror!) talking about class, poverty and unions in a USA Presidential bid - he's extremely eloquent - and he seems just much more *honest* this time around.
Of course, to counter that, he voted for the war (he's apologised since, but thats an almost impossible thing for me to ignore) and has a 'halfway house' strategy that would achieve very little for Iraq - and I'm not sure that I'm not just being taken in by a 'spin no substance' candidate who has realised that the Democratic base has shifted somewhat leftwards and is doing likewise.
If I had to choose between the three front-runners, I'd definitely vote for Edwards. If Feingold was in the race (a politician of genuine principle) I wouldn't consider Edwards for a minute....
Matt
P.S. All of the above is, of course, the musings of someone who doesn't even get a vote in the USA - although I can try to persuade my wife, I guess...
Of course, to counter that, he voted for the war (he's apologised since, but thats an almost impossible thing for me to ignore) and has a 'halfway house' strategy that would achieve very little for Iraq - and I'm not sure that I'm not just being taken in by a 'spin no substance' candidate who has realised that the Democratic base has shifted somewhat leftwards and is doing likewise.
If I had to choose between the three front-runners, I'd definitely vote for Edwards. If Feingold was in the race (a politician of genuine principle) I wouldn't consider Edwards for a minute....
Matt
P.S. All of the above is, of course, the musings of someone who doesn't even get a vote in the USA - although I can try to persuade my wife, I guess...
andy2002
To the Bat-poles!
Matt S said:
I was impressed that he'd 1) apologised (I wonder how many other politicians on either side of the Atlantic have managed that) and 2) made that apology over a year ago rather than the other day or last month. In the final analysis, I'm sure he's as much of a slippery charlatan as the rest of them though...
kyser_soze
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Possibly the funniest post on Urban ever. One religious fool saying that someone who converts to another religion is a fool. It's almost post-modern in it's self-referentiality...
OH, Clinton/Obama or Edwards/Obama - there's no way the Dems can go in on an all-white line up I reckon.
Bob_the_lost
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Is there not? Bloody delicious.Yuwipi Woman said:There's no need for that.
Yuwipi Woman
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Bob_the_lost said:
Taste it all you want, but the ladies would kindly like you to refrain from waving yer meat around.
Yuwipi Woman said:
In that case I suppose he can't help it being brought up as a Christian in the USA
Yuwipi Woman said:
"Apologist"?
"less savory hidden views"?
True riddles to me. Do you mind quoting me as "apologist (for what, exactly) with "less savory hidden views" (my views are clear as cristal for everyone who can read my English)?
I explained an Islamic command. I can hardly say it is not a command when it is.
salaam.
Bob_the_lost said:
I have a few questions:
1.Does your opinion count for every religion, or only for Islam?
2.How can you measure my intellect in order to come to you flawless conclusion?
3.How do you manage to do that for every Muslim on this globe?
4. How come you didn't get a nomination for the Nobel Prize?
Thank you. I shall have it send it to poor - non-religious - people in your country.
salaam.
TAE said:
Every Muslim shall answer that they were mislead in their beliefs until it pleased Allah to guide them to the right path.
From which follows that if they do not find the way of Islam (the religion) God must have reasons to let them be or stay Christian (or whatever).
salaam.
Bob_the_lost
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1) No, don't be stupid of course it's for all skyfarie worshipers.Aldebaran said:
2) It's a gift.
3) Cool gift isn't it, far better than socks.
4) At what point did being smarter than someone who belives in sky faries become an award category?
Now for you: How do you tell the difference between rules inflicted upon you for health and saftey reasons that are no longer valid and the will of god? If there is no difference why do you worship a god who's advice is becoming increasingly irrelevant? Don't bother to go into too much detail, a short answer will suffice.
Yuwipi Woman
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Aldebaran said:
Certainly I can quote your less savory views:
In that case I suppose he can't help it being brought up as a Christian in the USA
Being Christian isn't a birth defect, FFS.
Gullibe fool if you're a Christian? You remind me of Pat Robertson (He's said much the same of Islam) and some of the less savory Christians out there. They're always telling you how much better they are than you because of their religion. But its just plain old hypocracy. Damn glad I'm just a "not better than anybody else" heathen.
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