Oasis: cra/not
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118118 said:besides which: the only argument against them i've heard is stuff like 'song structure'. Which they pre-empt, and i doubt anyone here understands anyway
Oh fuck off
the ONLY argument against Oasis you've heard is about song structure?
you're either a liar or you haven't been paying attention
Skim
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118118 said:i can't be bothered with this argument anymore: isn't significance what it means to people? wasn't this argued on the beatles thread???
and everyone is just saying otherwise to be "scene"
Nah, no one's trying to be "scene" here. If they were significant to you, that's fine. But in the wider picture, I can't see historians looking back at the 90s one day and giving Oasis any credit for changing the face of British rock music.
sleaterkinney
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Sounds like you're having your own little argument to be fair.
Oasis Quo are rubbish, nicking other people's riffs, making the same album 10 times
If you're middle management and want to rock out in your 4x4 on the way home, undoubtably.
dirtysanta
Original Casual
sleaterkinney said:
Not sure id agree with that. Most of the folk i know who are really into Oasis are in the trades of some description.
corporate whore
oh, thought you were dead
I quite like their first album - it's got moments of humour absent from any of the po-faced subsequent ones, the riff-stealing feels cheeky rather than the derivative 'what-this-again' bollocks it became, there's ambition and a certain promise.
But that's about it.
But that's about it.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
I liked "Half the World Away"....but the rest ranges from okay to toliet. "She's Electric" is truly one of the worst things to ever abuse my ears.
Were they important? Not really, Blur, Charlatans etc had been around for ages and british indie had always produced some cracking bands - JAMC, MBV, Teenage Fanclub etc. Did they raise the profile of British indie...mebbe but plenty of bands had followings in NYC, San Fran etc.
They also helpes Northern Uproar get noticed and that is unforgiveable.
The whole Beatles loving thing annoyed me because at least they tried to do something different after a while then called it a day rather than pump out the same turgid stadium rock over and over.
Were they important? Not really, Blur, Charlatans etc had been around for ages and british indie had always produced some cracking bands - JAMC, MBV, Teenage Fanclub etc. Did they raise the profile of British indie...mebbe but plenty of bands had followings in NYC, San Fran etc.
They also helpes Northern Uproar get noticed and that is unforgiveable.
The whole Beatles loving thing annoyed me because at least they tried to do something different after a while then called it a day rather than pump out the same turgid stadium rock over and over.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
They may well be, but it's the sort of toss that a Q reader would be into as well.dirtysanta said:
dirtysanta
Original Casual
g force said:
ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa. Northern Uproar. I mean, fucking hell, they were being serious too !
Sweaty Betty
Hemo rising!
I love them al ways have always will.....but i wouldnt go and see them live anymore!!!
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
Kanda said:Absolute bollocks and you know it
There hasn't been UK band since them that has had the same impact!!
Age might matter (poor dub!) but anyone mid twenties around 94... rawr!!
Naah, speaking as someone who was 22 in 94, Blur were by far the better band... Oasis: one good single (supersonic) and then formulatic 'rock' by numbers evermore....
well i was 8 in 1994 but i remember going to my guitar teacher once and saying the only thing i wanted to be able to play was the slide from the start of stand by me. if it wasnt for Noel Gallagher i doubt i would have bothered to learn guitar as he was my hero and the only two people in the world i wanted to be were him and Teddy Sheringham. for that reason i vote most definately not crap. plus songs like supersonic, married with children and talk tonight help swing the vote 
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
alright 118118, let's do it your way.
were oasis important? well, assuming by important you mean did they have a significant effect on the music industry and the cultural scene of the UK, the answer is yes. they sold a lot of records, helped alienate at least a quarter of the readers of the NME (possibly more, i'd ahve to see the stats), and made it popular for a while to try and imitate them in some way. they headlined some festivals, sold a lot of t-shirts, and got invited to do gak with the prime minister. their long-term effects will not be seen for another 5-10 years.
were they any good? well, good is a qualitative assessment. some say that they were good because they enjoyed listening and singing their songs. others say they were good because they believe in some way that they were talented musicians and songwriters (though i've yet to see a convincing argument by anyone on that one). i personally think they were toilet for exactly the reasons dub quoted... because they took the worst aspects of some of britain's most uncreative music and combined it with neanderthal lyrics of the cat / hat / mat / rat school of advanced lyricism to make plodding, unexciting, meaningless songs with all the artistic value of soggy bread.
oh, and by the way, anyone who argues that someone doesn't like something because they're too cool is automatically a cunt in my viewpoint. it's a stupid argument, and one that gets bandied around a lot. i get the piss taken out of me all the time by various people on this board for my music taste, and i take the piss out of others for theirs. but one thing we are not is people who give a crap about cool. i might as well say that you only liked oasis because it was cool too and have never grown up. so i'm suggesting that you're not only a sheep, but an immature one desperately clinging to the bands of his youth because he's so hopelessly out of touch with the modern scene.
but i don't really believe that, i just think you're offended because all the people are being mean to you and you're lashing out. so more valid arguments, cheerful piss taking, and general banter and less of this whole emo victim bullshit about coolness.
were oasis important? well, assuming by important you mean did they have a significant effect on the music industry and the cultural scene of the UK, the answer is yes. they sold a lot of records, helped alienate at least a quarter of the readers of the NME (possibly more, i'd ahve to see the stats), and made it popular for a while to try and imitate them in some way. they headlined some festivals, sold a lot of t-shirts, and got invited to do gak with the prime minister. their long-term effects will not be seen for another 5-10 years.
were they any good? well, good is a qualitative assessment. some say that they were good because they enjoyed listening and singing their songs. others say they were good because they believe in some way that they were talented musicians and songwriters (though i've yet to see a convincing argument by anyone on that one). i personally think they were toilet for exactly the reasons dub quoted... because they took the worst aspects of some of britain's most uncreative music and combined it with neanderthal lyrics of the cat / hat / mat / rat school of advanced lyricism to make plodding, unexciting, meaningless songs with all the artistic value of soggy bread.
oh, and by the way, anyone who argues that someone doesn't like something because they're too cool is automatically a cunt in my viewpoint. it's a stupid argument, and one that gets bandied around a lot. i get the piss taken out of me all the time by various people on this board for my music taste, and i take the piss out of others for theirs. but one thing we are not is people who give a crap about cool. i might as well say that you only liked oasis because it was cool too and have never grown up. so i'm suggesting that you're not only a sheep, but an immature one desperately clinging to the bands of his youth because he's so hopelessly out of touch with the modern scene.
but i don't really believe that, i just think you're offended because all the people are being mean to you and you're lashing out. so more valid arguments, cheerful piss taking, and general banter and less of this whole emo victim bullshit about coolness.
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Turgid pub-rock shite. I quite like Noel though.
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