nursery worker stabbed in wanstead by 3 girls shouting allah allah

[Sirena]

What?

The woman quoted in the ES article was the nursery manager.

What does your link add to this?

It was just about who was attacked.

The manager (who reported to the police and to the papers) is the first woman on the web page. She has 3 female staff.

The one attacked on Wanstead High Street will be one of these... That's all.

 

[stuff_it]

What?

The woman quoted in the ES article was the nursery manager.

What does your link add to this?

Well since the top left picture is of the nursery manager, the victim must be one of the other three ladies.

I would have thought that this question is relevant because if the woman who was attacked is muslim or 'muslim looking' (see also a woman of colour) then we are likely looking at a hate crime. From the website, all the female staff are women of colour. There is definitely more to this story than the scant details in the report linked to above.

Not sure if it counts as a hate crime unless it's been done because of race, religion, sexuality, or colour. Maybe one of the staff members has been having an affair with one of the Asian ladies' husbands, and they decided to wet her up and tell her god will get her (for her infidelity, breaking up a marriage, etc).

That scenario would place it firmly out of hate crime territory, and I'm sure I could come up with other examples that would also not be a hate crime. Just because someone is brown doesn't mean all crimes against them are automatically 'hate crimes'.

 

[Thimble Queen]

Well since the top left picture is of the nursery manager, the victim must be one of the other three ladies.


Not sure if it counts as a hate crime unless it's been done because of race, religion, sexuality, or colour. Maybe one of the staff members has been having an affair with one of the Asian ladies' husbands, and they decided to wet her up and tell her god will get her (for her infidelity, breaking up a marriage, etc).

That scenario would place it firmly out of hate crime territory, and I'm sure I could come up with other examples that would also not be a hate crime. Just because someone is brown doesn't mean all crimes against them are automatically 'hate crimes'.

Huh? I didn't say just cos someone is brown then it's a hate crime. You are purposefully misrepresenting what I said.

If someone shouts Allah and attacks someone who is black or brown ('muslim looking') it's not unreasonable to suggest that it may be a hate crime

I didn't say that's definitely what has happened here because there aren't enough details, as I also said.

 

[Shechemite]

If she is a Muslim, then it would not seem obvious that this is a "terrorist" attack, which is the impression given. If she is not a Muslim, then it is unlikely that she would recognise chanting from the Quran, so the part of the account that links the attack to religion looks questionable.

Again, the one who was attacked (staff member) wasn't the one who is quoted as saying the attackers were 'chanting from the Koran' (manager)

And it could just be the managers' clumsy expression.

 

[Raheem]

Again, the one who was attacked (staff member) wasn't the one who is quoted as saying the attackers were 'chanting from the Koran' (manager)

And it could just be the managers' clumsy expression.

It could be, but clumsy expression of what? If they weren't chanting from the Quran, what were they doing? Talking to each other in Punjabi, maybe?

 

[Beats & Pieces]

The One, the One, the One....not exactly credible is it?

 

[Shechemite]

It could be, but clumsy expression of what? If they weren't chanting from the Quran, what were they doing? Talking to each other in Punjabi, maybe?

Dunno, but your 'not terrorism/dodgy account' paradigm doesn't follow.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Is the Manager knowedgable about the Qur'an to the extent that he/she would/could identify and recognise any phrases from the Qur'an? Moreover, 'Allah' is not specific to the Qur'an.

 

[cyril_smear]

where has this been reported?

 

[Raheem]

Dunno, but your 'not terrorism/dodgy account' paradigm doesn't follow.

It doesn't need to follow. You're reversing the onus. How do we know this is "terrorism"? Because they were "chanting the Koran"? Were they actually? Probably not.

 

[not-bono-ever]

 

[YouSir]

where has this been reported?

I heard it on the radio earlier, not sure what station. Mind you they also said it wasn't terrorist related, or the police did rather. Was getting tattooed at the time so not paying much attention.

 

[Shechemite]

It doesn't need to follow. You're reversing the onus. How do we know this is "terrorism"? Because they were "chanting the Koran"? Were they actually? Probably not.

Who's reporting it as terrorism?

 

[Raheem]

Who's reporting it as terrorism?

Why is it worthy of an ES article, or a thread here, otherwise?

 

[Saul Goodman]

What do you think then?

I think there was a dispute over something else, which the 'victim' decided they don't want the old bill to be party too.

 

[fishfinger]

One of the comments about the article in the Ilford Recorder suggests that this story is not as published:

Disgusting that the newspaper has published an article without knowing the facts correctly! As we live in the local vicinity and have children in the local school and nursery, we have been told by the nursery manager that the attack on the woman was a personal 'stack' and nothing to do with any chanting of 'Allah'! Please be responsible when publishing such articles as it has a direct impact on the local Muslim community.

Nursery worker stabbed in Wanstead by three women

 

[bimble]

Why is it worthy of an ES article, or a thread here, otherwise?

Cos it's girls, plus a nursery school worker, wouldn't be a story if boys and a builder I suspect.

 

[Raheem]

Cos it's girls, plus a nursery school worker, wouldn't be a story if boys and a builder I suspect.

Come off it. How many minor assaults do you think are committed by girls somewhere in London in a typical week?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Come off it. How many minor assaults do you think are committed by girls somewhere in London in a typical week?

It's a story because someone said Allah

 

[bimble]

Looks like all reference to Allah has been edited out of the article now?
All very odd.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Looks like all reference to Allah has been edited out of the article now?
All very odd.

My guess is, she was attacked by somebody she had a grievance with, and it escalated from there.

 

[sealion]

How many minor assaults

Slashed with a knife isn't a minor assault.

 

[maomao]

It's still in The Daily Mail which also gives the nursery worker's first name and says she was treated for broken ribs as well.

 

[snadge]

Come off it. How many minor assaults do you think are committed by girls somewhere in London in a typical week?

Slashed with a knife can easily kill, you fucking muppet.

 

[andysays]

Looks like all reference to Allah has been edited out of the article now?
All very odd.

Maybe all reference to Allah should also be edited out of the thread title, or at least change it to "...allegedly shouting Allah Allah, though this claim later removed from the Standard's story", or something

 

[Raheem]

Slashed with a knife can easily kill, you fucking muppet.

She was taken to hospital as a precaution only, cuntface.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's a story because someone said Allah

No, it's a story because someone reported that someone said Allah.

It probably didn't happen like that at all, as is being suggested by articles being edited etc.

Is anyone actually surprised this story has changed?

 

[Saul Goodman]

No, it's a story because someone reported that someone said Allah.

It probably didn't happen like that at all, as is being suggested by articles being edited etc.

Is anyone actually surprised this story has changed?

I'm surprised somebody jumped on the story before the Allahu akbar angle was investigated.
Actually, no, I'm not in the least surprised.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to believe that it is possibly religiously motivated or inspired by the latest attacks. No, it's better to reach a safe verdict and convince ourselves, without any proof, that whatever happened, nobody said Allah and the nursery worker started it anyway.

Now, let's all sing kumbaya.

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya

 

[Anudder Oik]

Worst thread of liberal denial and handwringing ever.