Poor little twat tho - he can get a meeting with Verhofstwat to discuss EU citizenship but can’t get into a Cobra meeting.
Number 10 tells Sadiq Khan he is not invited to emergency coronavirus meeting
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Poor little twat tho - he can get a meeting with Verhofstwat to discuss EU citizenship but can’t get into a Cobra meeting.
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
They are already busy with the planning. One of them has even written of the plans on these very boards today...
Proper Tidy
Arsed
No depths to you are there, you are literally the stereotype of the mail reader phoning into talk radio
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
And they are then given democratic approval. Well, slightly more democratic than just the technocrats.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
Khan attended a London Region union meeting I was at in the run-up to the 2016 mayoral election. He struck me as a bit of a dick then and I've seen nothing to make me reassess my opinion in his favour since. But the real reason he wasn't allowed to attend? Cabinet Office briefing room a isn't large enough to accommodate the egos of both Khan and Johnson.
editor
hiraethified
Fore reference: largest UK airports by total passenger traffic in 2018, from UK CAA statistics.
| TOTAL | 287,869,097 | 295,583,748 |
| 2,789,413 | 2,768,659 | 
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rank 2018[nb 1] | Airport | Total Passengers[nb 2] | Aircraft Movements[nb 3] | ||||
| 2017 | 2018 | Change 2017 / 18 | |||||
1 | 78,012,825 | 80,124,537 | |||||
2 | 45,556,899 | 46,086,089 | |||||
3 | 27,826,054 | 28,292,797 | |||||
4 | 25,904,450 | 27,996,116 | |||||
5 | 15,990,276 | 16,769,634 | |||||
6 | 13,410,343 | 14,294,305 | |||||
7 | 12,990,303 | 12,457,051 | |||||
8 | 9,897,959 | 9,656,227 | |||||
9 | 8,239,250 | 8,699,529 | |||||
10 | 5,836,735 | 6,268,960 | |||||
11 | 5,300,274 | 5,334,095 | |||||
12 | 4,901,157 | 5,046,995 | |||||
13 | 4,878,781 | 4,873,831 | |||||
14 | 4,530,439 | 4,820,292 | |||||
15 | 4,076,616 | 4,038,889 | |||||
| |
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
Many mail readers display occasional brief bursts of intelligence
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
He's spaffed in it.
Shechemite
Justice for Harvey
yeah but Surrey includes places like Sutton and Croydon. Which is london really
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
You are right, we need to nail this down, both Surrey cases have occurred in the borough of Waverly, my neighbour’s on the town council, we’ll send her to the meeting!
bimble
floofy
Nah bollocks sorry. Until this last summer I lived in a place (s london) where i was within 2 ft of hundreds of people for a couple of hours most days, on tubes buses etc, and shared a doorknob with about 15 of them. Now i have exactly 5 neighbours within about a 1 mile radius and drive everywhere, no cramming self onto tubes where each sneeze of my fellow citizens will land on my face. Nothing to do with Sadiq Kahn but for sure densely populated areas more at risk.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Neither would I but first world militaries do a lot more than fight these days, they play key roles in providing engineering, transport and logistics services in disasters and crisises, it has been soldiers not politicians piling up sandbags in the floods.
The role of politicians during a crisis is to provide top level direction, set general objectives and above all reassure the public that the situation is in hand.
I don't know about you but I am not reassured by this shower.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Ok fair enough you live in the woods but most people outside of london... don't. I'm not disputing that the closer people live together the more likely stuff will spread, that's fairly obvious really, but the idea khan should have some special role to play is nonsense. It's a political stunt, there we go they all do it, but that's what it is
bimble
floofy
Yep agreed, Kahn's no more right to be in the room than the mayor of liverpool etc has.
The moneyed SE countyside like where me and Bahnhof Strasse live though, we'll be receiving all those people returned from their second homes in tuscany / skiing holidays so you know it might just level out.
The moneyed SE countyside like where me and Bahnhof Strasse live though, we'll be receiving all those people returned from their second homes in tuscany / skiing holidays so you know it might just level out.
Shechemite
Justice for Harvey
it’s about time we sealed off london
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
[citation needed]
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Loathe as I am to say it, I have worked on civil contingency ops under other governments, and this one seems more willing/able to make difficult choices than some of the others.
That doesn't mean that it's decisions will be good ones - or bad ones - merely that it doesn't appear (so far) to be paralysed by indecision, or obsessed with other issues.
CC is an art form - it's taking the scientific advice, mixing it with an understanding of public psychology, and taking a guess on what the scientific advice is going to be in two weeks - and having the grit to make a decision thats going to upset people and may turn out to be unnecessary.
It may turn out that they baulk at the big, hard decisions, but so far there's (to my understanding) been no 'oh no, we can't do that....'.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I would of course greatly prefer that you are proven right and me wrong, but I have a feeling that BoZo is the micro-management type, hopefully neither of us will find out.
bimble
floofy
Ah go on please spill your any available beans - what do you mean what choices have they made?
That stuff published earlier today clearly seemed to say to us that no government measures aimed at containment would be happening for a month at least so, what boldish choices have been made?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'm not going to go outside of current government announcements, but the process is 'what might happen - and what can we do in response, and what can we do to mitigate?' some of the responses would have been a bit difficult to swallow for a politician looking for an easy life, but so far the answers have been - if, on occasion, through gritted teeth - 'ok, crack on with the planning for that...'.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The plans are published tomorrow, todays public comments were mostly talk to set the stage for the detail to come.
The plans will involve multiple phases. The exact timing of the phases is very unlikely to be baked into the plan. I would expect some evidence/numbers based triggers to be part of the description of the phases, though I dont know quite how much wiggle room they will want to leave themselves.
The talk today of a month is probably just to give people some idea of possible timescales involved, to stop all the dramatic stuff sounding like it could happen any day very very soon, and also reflects when they are thinking of getting new legislation put through. I would hope they can fast-track any required legislation more quickly if the phase has to change more quickly than they would like.
The plans will involve multiple phases. The exact timing of the phases is very unlikely to be baked into the plan. I would expect some evidence/numbers based triggers to be part of the description of the phases, though I dont know quite how much wiggle room they will want to leave themselves.
The talk today of a month is probably just to give people some idea of possible timescales involved, to stop all the dramatic stuff sounding like it could happen any day very very soon, and also reflects when they are thinking of getting new legislation put through. I would hope they can fast-track any required legislation more quickly if the phase has to change more quickly than they would like.
bimble
floofy
So it might be that todays proclamations of 'we might do this in a months time' are signalling to us plebs the parameters to expect so nobody gets overly panicked when things do get restricted, whether that be in a month or next week? Mainly just hope 'business as usual for as long as possible' isn't the focus of their ambitions.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It probably helps that everyone can see what other countries are doing/will do, and I doubt there is huge scope to obviously deviate massively from what a whole bunch of other, similar, countries do. I could end up being massively wrong about that, if I am then there could be a lot of heavy politics and recriminations to come. But I still think that when we add in signs such as the mood music used so far, and what the WHO keeps saying about containment efforts in China, and it will be very difficult for governments not to go all in with 'think the unthinkable' stuff. Whether they get the timing right though I am much more skeptical about, and this is a theme that I will continue in a minute.
scifisam
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Reps of devolved administrations were "invited to dial in" so I don't see why elected mayors of large cities would be excluded. If the information isn't pertinent to them then it's not pertinent to the heads of the devolved administrations either.
The article in Editor's first post says Khan has attended meetings, plural, about terrorism, not just this one specific meeting about a London attack.
The article in Editor's first post says Khan has attended meetings, plural, about terrorism, not just this one specific meeting about a London attack.
elbows
Well-Known Member
So it might be that todays proclamations of 'we might do this in a months time' are signalling to us plebs the parameters to expect so nobody gets overly panicked when things do get restricted, whether that be in a month or next week? Mainly just hope 'business as usual for as long as possible' isn't the focus of their ambitions.
Governments will inevitably include economic and social costs to the population as being considerations that must be balanced against the direct damage the disease itself causes.
How that balance is struck is often an issue. Poor timing judgements can have huge consequences. Its difficult for me to get into my full opinions on the timing because outbreaks of novel diseases like this one are always very surreal for me to watch evolve. At least in the early phases. Overly narrow scope for suspecting cases, that carries on for long after the point where countries should be looking far more broadly for cases, is entirely the norm! Basing phases and policy on the picture we can see today, even though we know that such pictures usually tell us more about the reality 2,3 or 4 weeks ago, is also rather typical. I suppose its not surprising, despite the obvious flaws and contradictions, because early phases tend to include plenty of desire to 'buy time' but unfortunately the desire to have that time does seem to affect our desire to look for certain indicators that suggest otherwise!
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Because health is a devolved matter. There isn't just one NHS in the UK.
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Do the elected mayors have responsibility for healthcare in their domains? The devolved administrations do.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
And the PoPo - Policing in Scotland and NI (can't remember about Wales) is a matter for the devolved governments), as is legislation. London, compared to that, is a parish council.
