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Nuke Plant Exposed near Holy City of Quom!

Beware politically motivated hype. While on the surface, Obama's dramatic intervention seemed sound, the devil is always in the details. The "rules" Iran is accused of breaking are not vague, but rather spelled out in clear terms. In accordance with Article 42 of Iran's Safeguards Agreement, and Code 3.1 of the General Part of the Subsidiary Arrangements (also known as the "additional protocol") to that agreement, Iran is obliged to inform the IAEA of any decision to construct a facility which would house operational centrifuges, and to provide preliminary design information about that facility, even if nuclear material had not been introduced. This would initiate a process of complementary access and design verification inspections by the IAEA.

This agreement was signed by Iran in December 2004. However, since the "additional protocol" has not been ratified by the Iranian parliament, and as such is not legally binding, Iran had viewed its implementation as being voluntary, and as such agreed to comply with these new measures as a confidence building measure more so than a mandated obligation

In March 2007, Iran suspended the implementation of the modified text of Code 3.1 of the Subsidiary Arrangements General Part concerning the early provisions of design information. As such, Iran was reverting back to its legally-binding requirements of the original safeguards agreement, which did not require early declaration of nuclear-capable facilities prior to the introduction of nuclear material.

While this action is understandably vexing for the IAEA and those member states who are desirous of full transparency on the part of Iran, one cannot speak in absolute terms about Iran violating its obligations under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So when Obama announced that "Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow", he is technically and legally wrong.

Read the rest of this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/25/iran-secret-nuclear-plant-inspections

Additional article: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...oled-for-sake-of-the-middle-east-1793486.html
 
There is an Institution Of Nuclear Engineers at Catford, London SE6 2LQ

I don't think there are any nuke plants though, unless there's something the engineers aren't telling us :)
 

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Timing of this is this is a little fortuitous for the Iranian regime eh?

Hardly. Far better to look at the distraction from domestic troubles that the US, UK, etc can achieve by ramping up the rhetoric at home.

Given the way that the US under President Bush and Israel have openly threatened to bomb its facilities, it is not surprising that it should choose to back up its programme with secondary facilities. Nor is it that easy to dismiss the protestations of its leaders that nuclear weapons would be against the religious principles of the Islamic Republic.

Just as Israel has based its security on perceived threats from its Arab neighbours, so Iran's attitude has been forged by the constant assaults of its neighbours and the West. It may well be that it wishes command of the technology of nuclear weapons without actually developing them. Even if it does wish them, however, it is still uncertain how much of a threat they would be. Opinion is divided on how quickly it could develop the processing capacity to convert low-enriched uranium to the levels required for weapons, while the US has just put back its estimates of Iran's ability or interest in long-range missiles well into the future.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...oled-for-sake-of-the-middle-east-1793486.html
 
Yes that's right - the theocracy has no independent interests that it would seek to further -for instance rallying the population around what is probably the single existing unifying factor right now (the right to nuclear power/weapons etc) just as dissent and open demonstrations spark dangerously back into life.

Odd that you can suggest that the US and UK could act so cynically, yet think The Iranian theocracy that only a few short months ago attempted to crush internal dissent with murder, with bullets, with whips, with beating, with torture, with faked conferssions on public tv would not stoop to such levels, or that it might have anything to gain from doing so.

How about the idea that they're all playing the same game? Do you, for some reason, imagine, that the good old theocracy doesn't do shit like that - that it's strictly a tactic of 'the west'? Odd then that this whole thing was sparked by the Iranian authorities sending a letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency on septt 21st informing them of the existence of this previously unknown plant. Then of course, the US, UK etc all took it up and used it for their own ends - everyone's a winner.

Don't see what that quote from the independent has to do with my suggestion. It certainly doesn't offer anything against it.
 
Odd that you can suggest that the US and UK could act so cynically, yet think The Iranian theocracy that only a few short months ago attempted to crush internal dissent with murder, with bullets, with whips, with beating, with torture, with faked conferssions on public tv would not stoop to such levels, or that it might have anything to gain from doing so. .

God, You are so full of it. Iran is under diplomatic attack. The threat of a military strike is in the air, and you.......attack Iran.

Not Israel, the country who are seriously considering an attack, who possess nuclear weapons, who have repeatedly and seriously threatened Iran with a military strike, who have a track record of hostile military actions against it's neighbours.
Not the US who could shut Israel down with a phone call yet who have vetoed every single resolution critical of Israel, ever.

Not the hypocritical and spineless lackeys that are the UN, condeming and threatening a sovereign country for activities that are perfectly legitimate and enjoyed by many of the member states. The right to a nuclear energy programme.
And not the utter hypocrosy of western countries condemning Iran for a nuclear weapons programme while allowing and encouraging an Israeli nuclear programme.
No, the great left hope here condemns..... Iran.



There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against the theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation against the growing coalition of Israeli apologists who are moving towards a military strike.

Every single one of the brave demonstrators who have stood against the Ahmadinadjad regime support Iran in this fight.They see no contradiction. Neither do I .
In this conflict I support Iran.

Butchers, your carefully manicured anti Ahmedinadjad principles and "plague on all your houses" position are putting you on the same side as Israel in this conflict.
 
If we cut the post above up a bit, we can get something we can probably all agree on:

There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation with a right to legitimate nuclear energy programme.
 
If we cut the post above up a bit, we can get something we can probably all agree on:

There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation with a right to legitimate nuclear energy programme.

yes. Tell it to Butchers.
 
If we cut the post above up a bit, we can get something we can probably all agree on:

There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation with a right to legitimate nuclear energy programme.

Sort of like wanting to assist the North Koreans in their attempts to be treated like humans by their leader, but at the same time, endorsing that leader's various nuclear endeavours.
 
God, You are so full of it. Iran is under diplomatic attack. The threat of a military strike is in the air, and you.......attack Iran.

Not Israel, the country who are seriously considering an attack, who possess nuclear weapons, who have repeatedly and seriously threatened Iran with a military strike, who have a track record of hostile military actions against it's neighbours.
Not the US who could shut Israel down with a phone call yet who have vetoed every single resolution critical of Israel, ever.

Not the hypocritical and spineless lackeys that are the UN, condeming and threatening a sovereign country for activities that are perfectly legitimate and enjoyed by many of the member states. The right to a nuclear energy programme.
And not the utter hypocrosy of western countries condemning Iran for a nuclear weapons programme while allowing and encouraging an Israeli nuclear programme.
No, the great left hope here condemns..... Iran.



There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against the theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation against the growing coalition of Israeli apologists who are moving towards a military strike.

Every single one of the brave demonstrators who have stood against the Ahmadinadjad regime support Iran in this fight.They see no contradiction. Neither do I .
In this conflict I support Iran.

Butchers, your carefully manicured anti Ahmedinadjad principles and "plague on all your houses" position are putting you on the same side as Israel in this conflict.

OH NO NOT IS-RAEL.

Sorry, that scare doesn't work.

I fucking love Iran critically.
 
Once again:

If we cut the post above up a bit, we can get something we can probably all agree on:

There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation with a right to legitimate nuclear energy programme.
 
There is no contradiction between supporting the Iranian people in their fight against theocracy and supporting Iran as a nation with a right to legitimate nuclear energy programme.

I don't see what's very controversial about that.

Even a weaponized Iran might have to be accepted by those who support the overthrow of the theocratic regime because if there is really such a programme that would continue.
 
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The second most sacred city in Iran after Mashhad, Qum is known for its sanctuary of Fatima al-Masumeh ('the infallible one'). Some scholars believe that Qum, originally called Kumindan, was captured by the Arabs in 644 AD, while others believe it was founded in 712 AD by Arab colonists who had been forced to leave Kufa in Iraq for reasons of their Shi'ite beliefs.

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/iran/qum.htm
 
If you Google 'Quom', you get a facebook page for Butty Quom, and things about afghan hounds.



There's no holy city by that name.


Why make the thread name misleading in this way?
 
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