Nuclear Power Station in Wales
- Thread starter Udo Erasmus
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lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
Llantwit hit it on the head really, he knows me (online) and i'm basically trying to defend something I don't really agree with. I have quite clearly lost this debate and would rather a nuclear free Wales.
Of course it's about votes. Jones is the AM for Ynys Mon. The formula is simple. The feeling on the ground is strongly in favour of nuclear power.
There is a legitimate point Udo can make that one Plaid elected representative (who is also the leader, which makes it more damaging) is supporting nuclear power and that weakens the case for a nuclear free Wales/Anglesey. But Plaid's AMs are allowed to go against the party line if they feel strongly. There won't be any 'holding to account' for this, we'd just lose Ynys Mon, the nuclear station would still be built, and Wales would be weaker as a result. I back down on this debate, it's obvious really that we should rule out new nuclear stations in Wales like the SNP has done in Scotland. I'm unconvinced Udo knows anything about how real political parties work because he's only been involved in sects. If you're against the political process & political parties from a principled position like Llantwit on this forum, fair enough, but if you are trying to be involved in it like Udo, at least do it properly.
What I think is stupid is that Udo is saying it's a Plaid decision when it's not a decision taken in Wales at all (not even to do with Welsh Labour), it's a UK Labour government decision (just like St. Athan). All I see from Udo's posts is a disproportionate level of venom directed at Plaid because they're soaking up the supporters Udo wants for Respect. This is really sad because nobody involved in electoral politics in Wales even considers Respect to be a factor, and a fair few haven't even heard of them.
I don't even know what faction of Respect Udo belongs to, because the SWP always split up the organisations they're involved in, and Respect is now apparently two different parties with the same name. It is funny and something we could all have a laugh about.
Of course it's about votes. Jones is the AM for Ynys Mon. The formula is simple. The feeling on the ground is strongly in favour of nuclear power.
There is a legitimate point Udo can make that one Plaid elected representative (who is also the leader, which makes it more damaging) is supporting nuclear power and that weakens the case for a nuclear free Wales/Anglesey. But Plaid's AMs are allowed to go against the party line if they feel strongly. There won't be any 'holding to account' for this, we'd just lose Ynys Mon, the nuclear station would still be built, and Wales would be weaker as a result. I back down on this debate, it's obvious really that we should rule out new nuclear stations in Wales like the SNP has done in Scotland. I'm unconvinced Udo knows anything about how real political parties work because he's only been involved in sects. If you're against the political process & political parties from a principled position like Llantwit on this forum, fair enough, but if you are trying to be involved in it like Udo, at least do it properly.
What I think is stupid is that Udo is saying it's a Plaid decision when it's not a decision taken in Wales at all (not even to do with Welsh Labour), it's a UK Labour government decision (just like St. Athan). All I see from Udo's posts is a disproportionate level of venom directed at Plaid because they're soaking up the supporters Udo wants for Respect. This is really sad because nobody involved in electoral politics in Wales even considers Respect to be a factor, and a fair few haven't even heard of them.
I don't even know what faction of Respect Udo belongs to, because the SWP always split up the organisations they're involved in, and Respect is now apparently two different parties with the same name. It is funny and something we could all have a laugh about.
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
lewislewis said:
To paraphrase Luke Skywalker's words to Darth Vader: "I feel the conflict inside you, I sense the good, turn away from the Dark Side - it's not too late"
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
People Against Wylfa B - Press Satement
80% vote against Wylfa-B
In an on-line poll on the North Wales Chronicle website between 17-25 January asking if there should be a new nuclear power station in Anglesey? The result was: Yes 20% No 80%
This result shows clearly the strong opposition in north-west Wales to nuclear power and Gordon Brown’s government’s plans to build new nuclear power plants.
Since the government announcement two weeks ago supporting new nuclear power stations, Labour, Plaid Cymru and Conservative politicians on Ynys Môn are tripping over each other in their pro-nuclear enthusiasm and in the process are misinterpreting public opinion on this vital issue.
All this huffing and puffing is very misleading considering the long timescale of a new nuclear programme and Wylfa’s lowly placing in the list of possible sites.
Even the front running French power company EDF admit that it will be at least 2017 before they complete a single new station. The politicians are therefore misleading the public into thinking that hundreds of jobs will come for the present workforce.
In the light of the overwhelming opposition in the Chronicle poll, P.A.W.B. calls on politicians of all 3 parties to explain why they have chosen to ignore deep public opposition to the expansion of nuclear power on Anglesey?
It is very likely that present day Ynys Môn politicians will have all long since retired or lost their seats without seeing any official application to build a new nuclear power station on Anglesey. Perhaps their retirement day will come sooner than expected if they insist on continuing to ignore the views of voters.
PAWBPobl Atal Wylfa BPeople Against Wylfa B
80% vote against Wylfa-B
In an on-line poll on the North Wales Chronicle website between 17-25 January asking if there should be a new nuclear power station in Anglesey? The result was: Yes 20% No 80%
This result shows clearly the strong opposition in north-west Wales to nuclear power and Gordon Brown’s government’s plans to build new nuclear power plants.
Since the government announcement two weeks ago supporting new nuclear power stations, Labour, Plaid Cymru and Conservative politicians on Ynys Môn are tripping over each other in their pro-nuclear enthusiasm and in the process are misinterpreting public opinion on this vital issue.
All this huffing and puffing is very misleading considering the long timescale of a new nuclear programme and Wylfa’s lowly placing in the list of possible sites.
Even the front running French power company EDF admit that it will be at least 2017 before they complete a single new station. The politicians are therefore misleading the public into thinking that hundreds of jobs will come for the present workforce.
In the light of the overwhelming opposition in the Chronicle poll, P.A.W.B. calls on politicians of all 3 parties to explain why they have chosen to ignore deep public opposition to the expansion of nuclear power on Anglesey?
It is very likely that present day Ynys Môn politicians will have all long since retired or lost their seats without seeing any official application to build a new nuclear power station on Anglesey. Perhaps their retirement day will come sooner than expected if they insist on continuing to ignore the views of voters.
PAWBPobl Atal Wylfa BPeople Against Wylfa B
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
Udo Erasmus said:
Probably the only thing you've ever posted here that I found quite funny and cool. Apart from that, you are still wierd.
The opinion the poll- the 'no' vote is all the Plaidies in Gwynedd.
