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scathed

Bitter little nobody
I have read lots of threads about people in quandaries about work, how the money doesn't go far enough for their lifestyle, or how hard it is for them to find new work.

I also detected a vibe that a whole lot of you are destined to work in offices being middle managers with your degrees in a company that in the whole scheme of things don't really produce anything apart from sourcing other companies with a service/product.

Until a couple of years ago I was treading down the same lines of a frustrated existence; finding temp work didn't pay enough, and all permanent jobs we paid less. Rumours of high salary jobs in offices still lingering but no pathway there ever existed, just here-say.

This was until I compltely revoked all work opportunities down that avenue, and turned to the construction industry. Our poor little country has a gigantic demand for construction personnel, in fact so much so that building sites will take any non-speaking illegal immigrant to do the work, due to the laziness of our nations citizens.

The stunning fact is that as a office temp in London you may be lucky to earn just over £9 an hour, which amounts to approximately £72 a day. In construction, you could walk in from the street and put in a hard day's graft and earn yourself £90/day easily. The days in construction seem shorter and you're likely to be on your way home at 3:30pm, and you might aswell throw away your membership to your gym, because your new form of work will tone you up the natural way.

Regardless of how intelligent you may consider yourself and however many qualifications you have, bin them, they're leashes to a fruitless future. If you want to earn money that doesn't make you question what on earth it is all about, and feel like you've actually achieved something, get yourself a job in construction.

Just to go on about this a bit more. A banksman (the guy who assists by radio, to the crane driver), earns £1000/week and that is all possible by taking a 2 day course for this qualification, and you don't wear a suit and don't need to have a CV to get a job due to the high demand of work. A labourer who doesn't even need to speak English (although it would help), sweeping floors, lifting stock and doing odd jobs around the place earns £100-120 a day (depending on the contractor), all you have to show is willing.
Get yourself qualified as a plumber/dry liner/electrician/brick layer etc. and you could be earning several hundred pounds a day, without a poxy government loan to pay off for your education.

Let me know if you find this thread at all interesting, perhaps even entertaining the idea of it. I'd like to know if anyone was looking for something else and this idea gave them any idea different from what they were already looking.
 
As I write up yet another boring spreadsheet to be emailed to various managers/directors I am seriously considering this.

Do they take 5'5 small built women on by any chance? :D
 
SubZeroCat said:
As I write up yet another boring spreadsheet to be emailed to various managers/directors I am seriously considering this.

Do they take 5'5 small built women on by any chance? :D

Chimneysweep? :D
 
Masseuse said:
Chimneysweep? :D

:D

Actually, I get paid quite well (for my age) as I'm in a managerial role but 1) it's fucking boring 2) I'm having to conform in ways I don't agree with

Either way, whatever I do, getting paid well means paying £5,000 a year in taxes :rolleyes:
 
Yep. This is definitley true. I'm on a shit wage and will be paying my debts and student loans for years. All the brickie's I know have built themselves 250K palaces whilst I live in a council house. I drive a banger and they're paying cash for Audi TT's.

Sounds fucking ridiculous but it's true.
 
I do one day a week gardening, cash in hand. It keeps me sane.

I can feel my soul sapping away all the days I spend in front of a computer.

A well-mown lawn gives me more satisfaction than 20 reconciled stock reports or whatever other shite it is I'm meant to do in the office.

That said, I have worked on building sites, and spending day after day mixing cement in the baking heat isn't exactly my idea of fun.
 
Sorry but that is asolute bollox of the highest order I'm afraid.

A 2 day course as a banksman is not gonna earn you a grand a week.

Skilled workers with a trade, brickies, plasterers etc AND plenty of experience will earn a decent wedge, but it is by no means an easy job.

The market for labouring is in a right fucking state at the moment. It has been for a long time due to overseas workers willing to work for a lot less. The last few years due to a MASSIVE influx of eastern europeans (legitimate and illegals) has been a complete joke with many willing to work twice as hard, twice as long with no breaks for as little as 20 quid a day. Any agencies that do pay a decent rate have been dissapearing.

This thread is smewhat misleading. Maybe you should stick to what you know and start pushing paper again eh ?
 
My dads a bricky and he says the Polish workers are gonna screw up the wages in the industry soon. Like the poster above they work harder/longer/better? than their british counterparts. Bouncing up and down on stilts plastering like a mad un is one of their specialities. They do have a total disregard for health and safety though which could come back to bite them and the companies that use them one day.
 
This is true I've witnessed first hand myself accidents where they do not understand the language well enough to understand what to do or make quick judgement calls. One guy I worked with lost four fingers and a large chunk of his hand, not nice I tell ya. :(
 
RaverDrew said:
Sorry but that is asolute bollox of the highest order I'm afraid.

A 2 day course as a banksman is not gonna earn you a grand a week.

Skilled workers with a trade, brickies, plasterers etc AND plenty of experience will earn a decent wedge, but it is by no means an easy job.

The market for labouring is in a right fucking state at the moment. It has been for a long time due to overseas workers willing to work for a lot less. The last few years due to a MASSIVE influx of eastern europeans (legitimate and illegals) has been a complete joke with many willing to work twice as hard, twice as long with no breaks for as little as 20 quid a day. Any agencies that do pay a decent rate have been dissapearing.

This thread is smewhat misleading. Maybe you should stick to what you know and start pushing paper again eh ?
Say what you wish. I know from my own experience working inside the industry that it isn't that common misconception you office bods think. As a nation we're too lazy to go and work on a building site, not that they're undercutting us. In fact there aren't anyone to do the job, so we give it to them. No, it isn't true they work for £20 a day, in fact they earn the same as us brits.

You may hear of the odd story in the paper about how slave labour and the exploitation of illegals, but those only happen on small scale builds that really are dodgy from the word "go". I genuinely urge us as a nation to start giving what we take, if we want bigger houses and more money, we're going to have to work for it, and not let some slimey little foreigner take our wages.

Misconceptions are really a burden to the industry, women are as welcome to the trades as the next bloke, you have to show willing and want to earn your money.

I think the genuine problem we all have is: lazy arse syndrome. We like to talk about it and think about it, and troll about it, but not actually work up a sweat doing it. "Let the little Romanians do it on their £20 a day" Rubbish to that I say, open your eyes and look at it for real, not from some wet liberal point of view.
 
he's not an office bod, didn't you read his other post dude?

personally i'll take the office job over heavy duty work in all weathers. i avoided office work for years cos i thought the idea of sitting in front of a computer all day in a suit would make me suicidal, but now i'm enjoying me job mostly, earning a decent wage, though not as much as miss bloody bilingual up there ( ;) ), and never come home covered in brick dust.
 
I'm glad that people in the construction industry are doing well - my grandfather used to be a joiner & wasn't on a great wage. It is about time people doing real work got paid properly.

(Though personally I'm a lazy git so will be sticking to being an office monkey.)
 
Coincidently, in London, a temp. banksman is likely to earn (with overtime) £1,000 a week. Sorry for the misunderstanding from before. If you want it you can get it.

RaverDrew, what do you do then?
 
No, not at all! It makes them slimey because they get in there behind our backs ;)

Just as if anyone else did it, just like the Irish, they love construction :D They're slimey too!
 
scathed said:
No, not at all! It makes them slimey because they get in there behind our backs ;)

Just as if anyone else did it, just like the Irish, they love construction :D They're slimey too!
TWAT
 
Jesus, just how quickkly did this turn from 'office v building site' to 'beware the strangers taking our jobs'.
 
scathed said:
No, not at all! It makes them slimey because they get in there behind our backs ;)

Just as if anyone else did it, just like the Irish, they love construction :D They're slimey too!


Yep, definitely need to be in construction to dig yourself out of this one :D
 
mwgdrwg said:
Jesus, just how quickkly did this turn from 'office v building site' to 'beware the strangers taking our jobs'.
mwgdrwg: I think what we have here is the phenomena of: imbercelia maximus.

Everyone else:
This thread was intended to suggest and help those of you looking for another avenue of career, should you be unsettled in your current vocation.

It was not however my intention to demonstrate to you that I have opposing views, or that I'm a xenophobic, racist bigot. This would be because I am not. Find fault in me, call me what you wish, your obstinance is duly noted.

Shame on you.
 
Shame on us? For calling you out for saying:

not let some slimey little foreigner take our wages

It obviously wasn't your intention to demonstrate that you're a xenephobic racist bigot, but it slipped out by accident anyway. You've shown yourself up as a twat and are now lashing out because you were called on it.
 
scathed said:
It was not however my intention to demonstrate to you that I have opposing views, or that I'm a xenophobic, racist bigot. This would be because I am not.

No, shame on you. You made disgusting comments about foreigners and Irish people being slimey.
 
Oh joy, another Urban "discussion".

Anyway, this came in from an email newsletter this morning, I think it's vaguely relevant:

We received a shocking email at [blah] Towers this week (obviously we don't really work in a tower; that'd be farcical and rent-restrictive, but doesn't everyone employed in radio, work at [insert station name here] Towers? No? Just us, you say?)

It does rattle on a little, but we'll join it at the beef of the matter, thusly so:

"...so I was wanting some advice from fellow radio people. I've been working as a journalist at a local station for nearly two years now. I feel I've learnt all I can and that it's time to move on, but the three interviews I've had with the BBC have all given me feedback suggesting I don't have enough journalistic experience. I can't live on £11,000 forever so I'm really stuck where I can move on to..."

After verifying that the role is full time, a quick bit of maths confirmed what we suspected. This individual, with her journalism degree and two years experience, isn't even earning minimum wage.

We all joke that radio isn't a proper job, like coal mining or gutting fish in an industrial warehouse somewhere near Wigan.

But £11,000? Is this how much we value our radio journalism? Even if they are starting out, even if they are willing to work for peanuts... this isn't employment. It's exploitation.

So are you paid less than £11,000 for a full time radio gig? Or are you the employer and have a very good reason for paying so little? Do £10 airshifts still exist? We're not necessarily going to name and shame those stations that do - we have the name of the station involved in this particular case - but we would like to know if this is as widespread as it could be.

:eek:
 
I have a friend who works for a TV company in Soho. He started on £10K, and after a year has made it up to the dizzy heights of £14K. I don't know how he manages to survive in London.
 
All this jack your job in cos plumbers/brickies/whatever earn a mint and you can learn how to do it in a week bollocks is exactly that. Bollocks.
 
fractionMan said:
All this jack your job in cos plumbers/brickies/whatever earn a mint and you can learn how to do it in a week bollocks is exactly that. Bollocks.

But it said in the Daily Mail it was true? :confused:
 
I was not suggesting that you quit your job for construction. I was entertaining the idea for you. There is a demand for construction workforce, and employers are willing to pay more than you'd earn in an office.

*proof checks to make sure no cryptic offensive statements are present*
 
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