Not in My Name -anti BNP Searchlight e-petition

[dennisr]

One person not voting does not cause another person to vote BNP. The question needing addressing here is what causes people to run into the arms of the BNP.

Absolutely - when a serious alternative is on the table people will go for that

(Third time lucky...)

Joe Higgins is now a marxist MEP - elected by the people of Dublin
Higgins beats Ryan to third European seat in Dublin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0608/breaking2.htm

"A native of Co Kerry, Mr Higgins, aged 60, once studied for the priesthood but later became an atheist. His incisive contributions in the Dail made him a thorn in the side of former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern from 1997-2007. His election campaign was funded on a shoestring budget and his black and white posters claimed he was: ‘The Best Fighter Money Can’t Buy’."[/QUOTE]

feck it, ain't nobody gonna say "well done SP in Ireland - Its a fuckin miricle you won against all odds ..... Oh and well done for the 6 councillors"

 

[purplex]

Their intent landed us with two fascist MEPs.

Not at all, it was down to the main parties to make themselves relevant to us, not searchlight. Searchlight's policies are a matter for debate, but I cant despise them for hating fascism and attempting to tackle it, even if their methods are outdated or even wrong.
I don't believe that Searchlight's methods are even heard widely enough outside of those that take an interest.
They seem to be screaming to their own little world.
I can't remember seeing a Searchlight campaign poster ever in my part of the world.
I do concur though that this isn't 1930s Germany, and the fash aren't as much of a threat, so a less hysterical, more considered campaign challenging the BNP on their policies and core beliefs would be very welcome. Searchlight and similar organizations are very necessary for our society.

 

[Badger Kitten]

Fuck me, was that ignore the whingers tag aimed at you - what sneering rubbish. if you're not going to respond to the critical points made with anything other than that sort of dismissive crap, well you can forget. Just another politician eh?

I'm not a politician. I am sitting in an office. Nobody has voted for me to come and work here, I am earning a living.

I did engage with the points, and in the absence of proof - all I can find is some whining about an alleged lunch with M15, in 1977, ffs, on libcom.

That fringe groups are less than keen on less-than-fringe groups, or that anarchists don't support people voting for political parties is not exactly news, and the usual suspects moaning on p&P is not going to convince me otherwise or stop me supporting a campaign by searchlight to register thousands of names who say that they do not support the BNP and present it, presumably with some kind of dossier to the European Parliament and international press.

Including the anarchists who died fighting fascism in the Spanish Civil War?

Well, all right. Searchlight was formed in the sixties. So uit was not possible for it to fight in the Spanish Civil war.

I can't see much in common with the people who died in the Spanish Civil war and today's Anarchists, personally. Are you going to tell me they are just the same?

 

[nino_savatte]

Ah, nothing like political correctness (and I use the phrase in the way that it was originally intended).

 

[revol68]

Ah, nothing like political correctness (and I use the phrase in the way that it was originally intended).

what in the sense of being right or in the sense of being in line with the COMINTERN?

 

[danny la rouge]

Not at all, it was down to the main parties to make themselves relevant to us, not searchlight.

And Searchlight merely told us to vote for the mainstream parties. Which aren't relevant. Which is where it gets circular, and ends up with nobody addressing the reasons that people run into the arms of the BNP.

 

[nino_savatte]

what in the sense of being right or in the sense of being in line with the COMINTERN?

Well, what do you think, shit-for-brains?

 

[butchersapron]

I'm not a politician. I am sitting in an office. Nobody has voted for me to come and work here, I am earning a living.

I did engage with the points, and in the absence of proof - all I can find is some whining about an alleged lunch with M15, in 1977, ffs, on libcom.

That fringe groups are less than keen on less-than-fringe groups, or that anarchists don't support people voting for political parties is not exactly news, and the usual suspects moaning on p&P is not going to convince me otherwise or stop me supporting a campaign by searchlight to register thousands of names who say that they do not support the BNP and present it, presumably with some kind of dossier to the European Parliament and international press.

No you didn't - because it's clear from your post you don't actually know the first thing about searchlight, how it operates, or even contemporary anti-fascism. Convince you? Not interested in convincing you, i know already that an angry liberal rarely make mistakes. I was simply uising the opportunity to briefly put the case against the pro-status approach to the BNP embodied by Searchlight. That you can't see beyond the fact that searchlight call themselves anti-fascsists so must by definition be good is no skin off my nose.

 

[revol68]

Well, what do you think, shit-for-brains?

Well since the COMINTERN is long dead and most of the people arguing against voting as an act of anti fascism are anarchists or libertarian socialists of some description I'd imagine only an idiot would be using it in any other sense than being right.

 

[Fedayn]

Absolutely - when a serious alternative is on the table people will go for that

Not talking about no2eu here obviously.


But yes it's good Joe got in, hardly an earthquake mind you given he's been an elected Councillor and/or TD since the early 90's. Shame the PBP stood against Mick Murphy though.

More impressive frankly however is the rise of the NPA in France. I've tried for more info there but alals to no avail as yet.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well since the COMINTERN is long dead and most of the people arguing against voting as an act of anti fascism are anarchists or libertarian socialists of some description I'd imagine only an idiot would be using it in any other sense than being right.

That's what you think, twat.

 

[revol68]

That's what you think, twat.

Yes it is what I think, that's why I posted it.

 

[dennisr]

More impressive frankly however is the rise of the NPA in France. I've tried for more info there but alals to no avail as yet.

Yep, looking for that info myself - and want to see results in germany.

Re no2eu - would not have expected any different. Would you?

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes it is what I think, that's why I posted it.

Oh, you're so fucking clever for one who has to resort to insulting someone's mother to win an internet argument.

 

[Badger Kitten]

No you didn't - because it's clear from your post you don't actually know the first thing about searchlight, how it operates, or even contemporary anti-fascism. Convince you? Not interested in convincing you, i know already that an angry liberal rarely make mistakes. I was simply uising the opportunity to briefly put the case against the pro-status approach to the BNP embodied by Searchlight. That you can't see beyond the fact that searchlight call themselves anti-fascsists so must by definition be good is no skin off my nose.

You call it 'pro-status'. You can call it what you like, I'm quite aware that some people will never ever be happy with any party, any system, any state, any vote, and that nothing, nobody will ever be perfect enough for them to vote for, even voting itself is shunned. And so they doom themselves to a life on the fringe, sqwarking on, furious and bitter. Well, whatever.

Moaning away on P&P is not going to make me change my mind, nor stop me supporting searchlight in their efforts to draw attention to, and pass on information about fascists, and there you go. Sorry.

 

[danny la rouge]

Moaning away on P&P is not going to make me change my mind, nor stop me supporting searchlight in their efforts to draw attention to, and pass on information about fascists, and there you go. Sorry.

Even though they also smear anti fascists?

The point is that what actually needs to be done is work in communities addressing why the BNP has support in the first place.

 

[treelover]

instead of signing a petition, why not pledge to do say 10 hours community work where you live, particualrly helping older people who make up a significant voter base for the far Right and feel abandoned by society

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Well, all right. Searchlight was formed in the sixties. So uit was not possible for it to fight in the Spanish Civil war.

I can't see much in common with the people who died in the Spanish Civil war and today's Anarchists, personally. Are you going to tell me they are just the same?

I'm not the one on here slandering a political tradition without knowing anything about it, am I?

 

[cesare]

What is this a formal written request for exactly?

 

[danny la rouge]

What is this a formal written request for exactly?

Exactly.

 

[revol68]

I can't see much in common with the people who died in the Spanish Civil war and today's Anarchists, personally. Are you going to tell me they are just the same?

well they share the same opposition to voting, even in the face of emotional blackmail from liberals to prop up their decaying 'democracies'. They also draw lessons from the spanish civil war, namely that anti fascism was used as a cover for counter revolution and that it was the anti fascists who alligned themselves to the state that broke up the CNT and POUM militias and sent them to prisons long before Franco got to.

Read a book or two you hysterical liberal nob.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

What is this a formal written request for exactly?

It is a formal written request for the moral high ground. Which counts for fuck all.

 

[Badger Kitten]

instead of signing a petition, why not pledge to do say 10 hours community work where you live, particualrly helping older people who make up a significant voter base for the far Right and feel abandoned by society

As I said upthread, several times, I am not aware of a single instance in which the act of signing a petition has magically stopped anyone from doing anything else, ever. People can do more than one thing. In fact, peopel with interesting suggestions as to what else could be done are perfectly at L:iberty to edit the email that goes with the petition and pass it on to their friends with a personalised message that might go like this...


'' Dear friend,

here'as an anti BNP petition you can sign, please do and please pass it on, if millions of people sign up within days it will send a message and become a news story. But there's much more you can do. You can volunteer to help in your community, whether that's visiting old people or clearing derelict ground to grow veg to give away, or any number of other ideas ( see this website link with list of useful community projects and volunteering). You can join this political party or campaigning group ( add link to desired group). You can join me and my friends at the march against fascism which I'm organising
(add details). You can write to your MP or MEP asking them to fight fascism and do ( insert list of whatever it is you want along with www.writetothem.com). You can....
etc

''


See?

You can also set up your own petition. You can set up your own campaigning group. You can write to your paper. You can subvert the Searchlight e-petition by writing underneath why you think searchlight are so crap and forwarding it on. You can do whatever the hell you like and I'm sure it will be more effective than bitching on P&P, eh?

 

[danny la rouge]

It is a formal written request for the moral high ground. Which counts for fuck all.

 

[butchersapron]

You can write to your MP or MEP asking them to fight fascism

Genius!

 

[revol68]

You can write to your MP or MEP asking them to fight fascism

Is the whole petition a parody?

 

[cesare]

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/gallery/1/

 

[untethered]

I'm going to start a petition demanding that the BNP stop being so beastly to blacks.

 

[Badger Kitten]

well they share the same opposition to voting, even in the face of emotional blackmail from liberals to prop up their decaying 'democracies'. They also draw lessons from the spanish civil war, namely that anti fascism was used as a cover for counter revolution and that it was the anti fascists who alligned themselves to the state that broke up the CNT and POUM militias and sent them to prisons long before Franco got to.

Read a book or two you hysterical liberal nob.

If today's P&P-posting so-called Anarchists ever did anything as brave getting up off their arses as bothering to go and fight in Spain they might have more respect from hysterical liberal nobs and everyone who bothers to vote, bothers to do stuff other than sit about flicking themselves off on the internet in periodic spasms of self-righteous navel-focused ineffective impotent hysteria and factionalism which leads nowhere, gets nowhere, convinces nobody outside the little circle and isn't even designed to. In fact, if some of the posts from so-called anarchists on here were pasted into dialogue and performed as a play, the audience would be in tears of laughter or up in arms at the crass stereotyping and two-dimensional characterisation.

Meanwhile Serachlight have done a load of good research and done something to mobilise and educate people against fash, you don't have to agree with them, but why spend all morning typing angry posts about it?

 

[Badger Kitten]

Oh look, whilst a few people who will never be happy get their jollies by havuing a good old whine and bitch on here, over 9000 people have signed the petition in a matter of hours.