Not in My Name -anti BNP Searchlight e-petition

[purplex]

you are of course overlooking the fact searchlight are up the arse of labour and the police.

Really, I think you are focussing on the wrong issue there TBH.
Their methods might be questionable, but their intent certainly isn't.

 

[butchersapron]

It's no good just saying but it's anti-fash - what is the content of the sort of 'anti-fascism' searchlight promote? It's essentially a) vote labour and b) Vote tory/lib-dem c) vote for one of the other parties including UKIP, etc As such it's a pro-status quo approach that works on us all being good chaps on the same side against the bad chaps. No thanks.

 

[danny la rouge]

Really, I think you are focussing on the wrong issue there TBH.
Their methods might be questionable, but their intent certainly isn't.

Their intent landed us with two fascist MEPs.

 

[Badger Kitten]

you are of course overlooking the fact searchlight are up the arse of labour and the police.

I am aware that libcom and Mr O' Hara have beef with them. I don't care and I would expect an anti-fascist organisation to hand over information they have discovered on facists and nutters planning criminal activity or fomenting racial hatred or similar to the security services and police. I would expect ANYONE who has information on criminal facists operating within their community to hand it over to the police. Do I want another Copeland or Siddique Khan? No thanks. What else would you expect Searchlight to do? Grow up.

 

[revol68]

Really, I think you are focussing on the wrong issue there TBH.
Their methods might be questionable, but their intent certainly isn't.

eh how the fuck can they be seperated?

I'm sure the labour party are against the BNP, should we all jump in behind their anti fascist shite?

Seriously the BNP have 2 MEP's, it's fuck all, it isn't 1930' s Germany, they haven't got the backing of the bourgeois, infact their biggest role in british politics is acting as a bogeyman to emotionally blackmail people who've given up on the political system back into propping it up.

 

[butchersapron]

I am aware that libcom and Mr O' Hara have beef with them. I don't care and I wuld expect an anti-fascist organisation to hand over information they have discovered on facists and nutters planning criminal activity or fomenting racial hatred or similar to the security services and police. What else would you expect them to do? Grow up.

No, they had over info on left-wingers, anarchists and others. They also smear them in their paper and so on - one prominent poster here was splashed all over their rag as a being a leading fascist.

 

[revol68]

I am aware that libcom and Mr O' Hara have beef with them. I don't care and I wuld expect an anti-fascist organisation to hand over information they have discovered on facists and nutters planning criminal activity or fomenting racial hatred or similar to the security services and police. What else would you expect them to do? Grow up.

not hand over details of other groups involved in anti fascism to the police for a start. Then there is the problem of anti fascism being used to prop up the status quo, when infact if fascism ever did arise again it would be in the defence of the security services and state.

 

[Fedayn]

And you saw me asking people to vote Labour where, exactly? And you saw the e-petition from Searchlight encouraging people to vote Labour how, precisely?

Strawman blah blah. Yawn again.
It is quite extraordinary that people see an anti-fash e-petition circulating and feel moved to complain, as if
a) signing an anti-fash petition is a vote for Labour - it isn't
b) is going to magically make people cease any other political campaigning activity or stop taking an interest - it isn't.
c) expressing an anti BNP opinion via email or on the internet is a bad or shameful thing - it isn't.

That some people are moaning about an internet political campaign - by moaning on the internet is particularly lulz-some.

In case you hadn't noticed, the petition gathers emailable names for searchlight, who can then write to the signatories asking them to get involved in more local campaigning things and also contains an editable note to send to your friends, which you are perfectly at liberty to alter, and put something else in there, such as urging people to get involved in local political campaigning, or anything else you care to add.

Because Searchlights whole approach to anti-fascismj is utterly summed up by Vote Labour or Vote Tory/Lib/Dem anyone but the BNP. It's failing utterly and miserably.

Yeah gathers names for Searchlight, a collection of sneaks, smear merchants and grasses as has been pointed out already. It is anti-fascism devoid of anything but vote for the status quo. Vote for more of the same, vote for the cunts who have laid the groundwork for the BNP to build on..... No thanks very much, haven't you noticed, it isn't fucking working!

 

[trevhagl]

No, they had over info on left-wingers, anarchists and others. They also smear them in their paper and so on - one prominent poster here was splashed all over their rag as a being a leading fascist.

tell me more?

 

[danny la rouge]

Vote for more of the same, vote for the cunts who have laid the groundwork for the BNP to build on..... No thanks very much, haven't you noticed, it isn't fucking working!

This, in my view, is the crux of the matter.

 

[butchersapron]

tell me more?

...actually, now i think of it, there's at least two posters it's happened to. I'll leave it up to them if they want to post details.

 

[butchersapron]

This, in my view, is the crux of the matter.

This is it - it's arguing that the BNP have achieved this against the system rather than the system producing this result.

 

[untethered]

This "petition" is supposedly going to be handed to the European Parliament on the day the BNP MEPs take their seats. It's unclear exactly what the petition calls for -- isn't a demand the whole purpose of a petition?

 

[nino_savatte]

I repeat, why the strawman that this is all I or anyone else who signs it are doing?

Why assume someone who signs a searchlight petition is content with that and that alone?

why go on the attack about people signing a Searchlight petition?

Why shouldn't they? Stop being so patronising, dismissive and aggressive - it's an anti-fash petition, you don't have to sign it, you also don't have to go on the warpath about everyone who does, nor dismiss their motives for doing so with such cynicism.

Ignore revol, he's just a miserable shite who reckons he's knows better than most.

 

[trevhagl]

i can see all your arguments but it's a bit like No2ID, a mate of mine wouldn't have anything to do with em cos apparently Liberty worked with the old bill on a march or something.

Trouble is i guess you gotta just think like the enemy. And i guess the enemy would be pissed off that you signed it.

 

[audiotech]

signed

 

[Fozzie Bear]

And i guess the enemy would be pissed off that you signed it.

If was an elected MEP I wouldn't give a fuck about an internet petition.

 

[butchersapron]

If was an elected MEP I wouldn't give a fuck about an internet petition.

...and frankly, nor do Searchlight - it's just a name gethering exercise and aopp to get photos material for the next campaign. There's no actual petition.

 

[Badger Kitten]

I can see that some fringe hard left/hard right/anarchist groups don't like searchlight. I can see something about a lunch with M15 in 1977, which an article goes on about on libcom and I can see that for some people who have a position that all the major political parties need to be banned/hung/routed/smashed/whatever in favour of a revolution/popular uprising/new utopia etc, so poor old searchlight, by merely asking people not to vote BNP and asking people to bother to vote will fall short of their ideal.

I have to say, my give a shit--o-meter is barely flickering and whilst I am slightly sorry the efforts of searchlight will not be welcomed by anarchists and others as joining hands in bringing the glorious dawn they yearn for, they are still as far as I am concerned a respectable, useful campaigning organisation with a great background in investigative campaigning, and have done more on a practical basis to fight fascism than anarchists have, or ever will do.

People don't have to work with them, or sign their petition - that's democracy. Personally, I think people should vote if they have a vote and be aware that not voting gives ground to the BNP. I realise that some people will never be happy with any of the political parties who have got a deposit together and run a candidate. Some people will never be happy with anything in the system at all, ever.

That some people feel this way is not sufficient reason to prevent me supporting a Not in My Name anti fash petition, or stopping me from voting, or from campaigning.

 

[trevhagl]

If was an elected MEP I wouldn't give a fuck about an internet petition.

i think they DO give a fuck about opposition of any kind, Griffin even complained last night that his party had been attacked more than any other party - i don't think he said that cos he was PLEASED they were attacked

 

[butchersapron]

I can see that some fringe hard left/hard right/anarchist groups don't like searchlight. I can see something about a lunch with M15 in 1977, which an article goes on about on libcom and I can see that for some people who have a position that all the major political parties need to be banned/hung/routed/smashed/whatever in favour of a revolution/popular uprising/new utopia etc, so poor old searchlight, by merely asking people not to vote BNP and asking people to bother to vote will fall short of their ideal.

I have to say, my give a shit--o-meter is barely flickering and whilst I am slightly sorry the efforts of searchlight will not be welcomed by anarchists and others as joining hands in bringing the glorious dawn they yearn for, they are still as far as I am concerned a respectable, useful campaigning organisation with a great background in investigative campaigning, and have done more on a practical basis to fight fascism than anarchists have, or ever will do.

People don't have to work with them, or sign their petition - that's democracy. Personally, I think people should vote if they have a vote and be aware that not voting gives ground to the BNP. I realise that some people will never be happy with any of the political parties who have got a deposit together and run a candidate. Some people will never be happy with anything in the system at all, ever.

That some people feel this way is not sufficient reason to prevent me supporting a Not in My Name anti fash petition, or stopping me from voting, or from campaigning.

Fuck me, was that ignore the whingers tag aimed at you - what sneering rubbish. if you're not going to respond to the critical points made with anything other than that sort of dismissive crap, well you can forget. Just another politician eh?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

searchlight are still as far as I am concerned a respectable, useful campaigning organisation with a great background in investigative campaigning, and have done more on a practical basis to fight fascism than anarchists have, or ever will do.

Including the anarchists who died fighting fascism in the Spanish Civil War?

 

[trevhagl]

I can see that some fringe hard left/hard right/anarchist groups don't like searchlight. I can see something about a lunch with M15 in 1977, which an article goes on about on libcom and I can see that for some people who have a position that all the major political parties need to be banned/hung/routed/smashed/whatever in favour of a revolution/popular uprising/new utopia etc, so poor old searchlight, by merely asking people not to vote BNP and asking people to bother to vote will fall short of their ideal.

I have to say, my give a shit--o-meter is barely flickering and whilst I am slightly sorry the efforts of searchlight will not be welcomed by anarchists and others as joining hands in bringing the glorious dawn they yearn for, they are still as far as I am concerned a respectable, useful campaigning organisation with a great background in investigative campaigning, and have done more on a practical basis to fight fascism than anarchists have, or ever will do.

People don't have to work with them, or sign their petition - that's democracy. Personally, I think people should vote if they have a vote and be aware that not voting gives ground to the BNP. I realise that some people will never be happy with any of the political parties who have got a deposit together and run a candidate. Some people will never be happy with anything in the system at all, ever.

That some people feel this way is not sufficient reason to prevent me supporting a Not in My Name anti fash petition, or stopping me from voting, or from campaigning.

If it was a choice between Tories, UKIP, New Labour or BNP i can understand those on here not voting. But in both cases of fascist MEP, there were half decent parties to vote for..

waiting around for a party that matches your entire beliefs before voting is just a waste of a vote.

 

[danny la rouge]

Trouble is i guess you gotta just think like the enemy. And i guess the enemy would be pissed off that you signed it.

What does it say? All I can is a vague statement that the undersigned did not vote for the BNP. Well, that's a bit pointless; the vast majority of people did not vote for the BNP. I don't sign a petition saying I didn't vote for Labour, I just don't vote for them.

What are the recipients of the petition to do with it?

 

[revol68]

i think they DO give a fuck about opposition of any kind, Griffin even complained last night that his party had been attacked more than any other party - i don't think he said that cos he was PLEASED they were attacked

you do realise they love to play the poor oppressed picke don card, it's the whole point of their parity of esteem for anglo-saxon identity card ffs.

I'm sure they love the fact that nobs are singing searchlight petitions whilst they have go MEP's elected.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

i think they DO give a fuck about opposition of any kind, Griffin even complained last night that his party had been attacked more than any other party - i don't think he said that cos he was PLEASED they were attacked

They are relying on appearing unpopular with the right people: the established political parties, the "media elite" etc. That is the whole basis of their vote.

 

[untethered]

What are the recipients of the petition to do with it?

Precisely. It's just a feelgood exercise for the "we're not the BNP" clique that can't tell the difference between activity and effectiveness.

Given that the petition is to the European Parliament I can only think that if it had a demand, which it doesn't, it'd be something to do with not allowing elected MEPs to take their seats. But even Searchlight aren't that overtly silly.

 

[revol68]

Including the anarchists who died fighting fascism in the Spanish Civil War?

Aye the problem was they actually got more fucked over by the anti fascist collaboration in the end than Franco.

 

[danny la rouge]

not voting gives ground to the BNP.

One person not voting does not cause another person to vote BNP. The question needing addressing here is what causes people to run into the arms of the BNP.

 

[danny la rouge]

Precisely. It's just a feelgood exercise for the "we're not the BNP" clique that can't tell the difference between activity and effectiveness.

Given that the petition is to the European Parliament I can only think that if it had a demand, which it doesn't, it'd be something to do with not allowing elected MEPs to take their seats. But even Searchlight aren't that overtly silly.

Well, quite.

It merely says "We, the undersigned, are some of the people who didn't vote BNP".

That's nice.