Noncey or Sexually Inappropriate Music

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by Spymaster, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    So before 1963 it was a different time when the French adage applied?
     
  2. JuanTwoThree

    JuanTwoThree I care not for the wealth of Gyges

    I have no idea what you mean. It's a very old saying 'Alia (sunt) tempora, alii mores'.
     
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    As far as I can make out what you're saying, things were very different in the past but your French adage only applies from permissiveness - hence my reference to larkin's sexual intercourse began in 1963. God knows what you'd have made of the sexual licence of the weimar republic, blown a gasket probably
     
  4. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Without music, life would be a mistake.

    Ten Years After. "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl".

     
  5. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

    I found this book in a charity shop last year - I didn't buy it, but I did photo the back cover. Gross.

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  6. dessiato

    dessiato Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono

    Not that it detracts at all from the implied issues of the video, but is that the video most associated with the song? It isn't the one I remember, which is this
     
  7. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    This was the promo they did for the re-release of the single in the early 90s.
     
  8. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    I hold a doctorate in 80s pop promo symbolism.
     
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  9. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    There's been some very weird shit going on with music censorship over the years depending on who does it, I guess. Sarstedt's Where Do You Go To My Lovely originally had the line "your body is firm and inviting" removed for BBC airplay despite the fact that the song also makes clear that the subject is "aged between 20 and 30". Patrick McNee however, got a complete pass on "sexy little schoolgirls" a couple of years earlier.
     
  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    a very active and peculiar sex life apparently
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    Patrick Macnee was drug-taking lothario expelled from Eton for peddling porn | Daily Mail Online
     
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  11. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    Not sure what you think isn't going well for me but I've been listening to the Dead Kennedys since I was seven and 'it's ok they had a black drummer' is a shit excuse particularly considering Boucher's attempt to appropriate musical rights from the rest of the band including said drummer.
     
  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    i wouldn't disagree but it's not an excuse i've made. do pay attention.
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    not sure the edit really adds anything
     
  14. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    In reply to a post saying that Dylan's song was less problematic than DK or EC's you brought DK's drummer's skin colour into it so it's difficult to imagine what you did mean if you didn't mean that.
     
  15. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    no it isn't. or rather, no doubt it is difficult for you to imagine. i have not said, suggested or implied that
    that's your perverse interpretation of what i said. in the light of what i've read about the royalties case i am reasonably confident that every member of the band had input into the song. so it's not that they had a black drummer so that's ok: they had a black drummer and other members of the band who had input into the song, who were ok with it, and i think because of what the song was saying. as i said in post 66,
    e2a: you're saying i'm arguing tokenism i'm saying all the members of the dead kennedys seem to have had input into the songs they performed.
     
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  17. JuanTwoThree

    JuanTwoThree I care not for the wealth of Gyges

    It's a banal observation that things were different in the past so the French and Latin sayings must be used to somehow justify past behaviours. I don't think it works for Confederate slavery, Spartans leaving babies to die or indeed 1970s perviness. The only sexual licences of The Weimar I would take issue with are ones I would object to now.

    Having said that I do think that the age of consent is a tricky one. Perhaps an age difference law would work.
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    the wikipedia page on fresh fruit for rotting vegetables shows the band as collectively responsible for the song
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    citing a book about the album:
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  19. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    He wasn't the drummer on that record anyway
     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    you're quite right, surprised and disappointed maomao with his many years of listening to the dead kennedys hadn't corrected me on the point.
     
  21. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    You dont seem to have read much about the case or did Biafra/Boucher's claim that he had composed all the music despite not being able to play an instrument by singing all the riffs at the band members convince you that he was open to input on his lyrics?

    And tokenism's not the word. Tbf I can't think of the right word myself but it's not tokenism.
     
  22. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    Lol.
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

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    Dead Kennedys - Wikipedia

    if songwriting credits due to the entire band then are you sure they were biafra's lyrics?
     
  24. ice-is-forming

    ice-is-forming Well-Known Member

    I don't know topcat, I'm not hearing any irony myself but then I'm not an authority on motorhead.
     
  25. maomao

    maomao 四月她爹

    The band didn't claim to have written the lyrics in court. They claimed to have been responsible for the music. If they'd written the lyrics why didn't they bring that up in court
     
  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Starry Wisdom

    p7/13

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    when they say songwriting was a collaborative effort and the band worked collectively on the creation of its musical compositions i'd take that - and i'd be interested to know why you differ - that they worked together on all aspects of the song, both music and lyrics. unless you know better, of course.
     
  27. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    BBC in "Sex is bad, unless it's with underage girls" shocker.
     
  28. Argonia

    Argonia Happy go licky

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  29. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Don’t Bother, They’re Here....

    Only another cover of the classic version until the vid.
     
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  30. Sprocket.

    Sprocket. Don’t Bother, They’re Here....

    It took Daryl Hall years to distance himself from this!
     
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