poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
They'll just make it increasingly harder to do anything without producing one until everyone does start signing up.
They are manically, foaming-at-the-gob determined on this one.
NO2ID call for action on ID card rollout
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They'll just make it increasingly harder to do anything without producing one until everyone does start signing up.
They are manically, foaming-at-the-gob determined on this one.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
in the words of Bernard Manning on Brass Eye 'its a fucking disgrace'.
It is a fucking disgrace - especially when the poor state of the economy is forever being used as an excuse for belt-tigthening, pay-cuts, public spending cuts on necessary things and the like elsewhere. Yet this stupid scheme is seemingly entitled to an unending supply of national cash - nomatter what the cost.
New Deal Scanda
New Member
That would be quite cool. Maybe they need to do this, probably be the only way they would enforce people to get one.It's a shame they couldn't at least let us create a little holographic animation going from normal look to a 'wow face' and back just by moving the angle of the card
Tacita
Pipe Dreamer
Agreed.
How?
I'm quite despondant about this. My former local govt colleagues are all loudly praising the scheme and I'm hearing sickening support generally. I'm considered to be slightly left of conspiraloon and don't see many no2id'ers who wouldn't be 'regular suspects'.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Forgeries of these trial cards will be used very easily unless card and fingerprint readers are available in every sale point of alchahol.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
The trouble is that by the time it becomes clear that a) the card ties you into a database which, because it is infallible, utterly ruins your life every time it fails and b) being on the database is only voluntary for those not averse to living under bridges and eating roadkill, it will be too late to do anything about it.
Best thing to do for now (for those not keen on rioting, sabotage and other variations on the theme of 'kicking right the fuck off') is to picket whatever places are being used for registration. It'll a miserable job, not least because you'll have to stand there and watch loads of people walk past you and gleefully pay to get fucked over by the state, but it's important that opposition is made clear at a personal level and not just mentioned in passing on the 6 o clock news.
SpookyFrank
Don't swallow the cap
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yes. And there'll be an army of fuckwitted "rules is rules - we cannot make any exceptions" officious, bullying twats to enforce it as well.
Agreed.
How?
I'm quite despondant about this. My former local govt colleagues are all loudly praising the scheme and I'm hearing sickening support generally. I'm considered to be slightly left of conspiraloon and don't see many no2id'ers who wouldn't be 'regular suspects'.
Come along to the day of action in Manchester that will shortly be announced
A mate of mine has to go for a passport 'interview' today...she's been told that she has to have an iris scan!! 
A mate of mine has to go for a passport 'interview' today...she's been told that she has to have an iris scan!!
Eh? I didn't think they were doing Iris scans??? You shouldn't be fingerprinted either for one of the passport 'interviews'. Is she non EAA national?
Nope, Donny born and bred. I'll ask her for details when i see her, but last time we spoke she told me that's what they said to her on the fone...gotta have an iris scan.
For immediate release 6th August 2009
ID cards easily electronically forged
Technical expert Adam Laurie has demonstrated copying, cloning and changing
details [1] on the biometric visa cards being issued by the government to
foreign nationals - the same technology that is to be used for the UK ID
scheme.
This is just the latest in a series of 'hacking' exercises showing the
technical insecurity of the Identity and Passport Service's products [2].
Officials have repeatedly declared them impossible, despite clear evidence
and open demonstrations for the press. The very information most useful to
identity thieves and fraudsters is made more vulnerable by using microchips
*designed* to broadcast your personal details for official convenience.
NO2ID [3] today condemned the Home Office for knowingly making 'ID theft'
easier, ignoring dangerous vulnerabilities in the ID card as it pursues its
real goal - the universal population register that would give officials
unprecedented control of our lives, and make the Home Office king in
Whitehall.
Phil Booth, National Coordinator of NO2ID said:
'This shows up the big con. The Home Office doesn't really care about 'ID
theft', or it wouldn't be pushing technology that any competent crook can
subvert.
'The ID-obsessed officials are putting our personal information at risk in
their scramble to control it. They want to build a population register - the
database for which the card is just a Trojan horse. It doesn't matter how
shoddy the card itself is, or what it costs the public.'
-ENDS-
Notes for editors:
1) 'New ID cards are supposed to be 'unforgeable' - but it took our expert
12 minutes to clone one, and programme it with false data', Daily Mail,
6/8/09 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204641/New-ID-cards-supposed-unforg
eable--took-expert-12-minutes-clone-programme-false-data.html
2) The microchip, also embedded in 'e-Passports', was first cracked in 2006
- 'Cracked it!', Guardian, 17/11/06,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/nov/17/news.homeaffairs - then the
data was stolen from a passport still inside the envelope in which it is
delivered - 'Safest ever passport is not fit for purpose', Daily Mail,
5/3/07,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440069/Safest-passport-fit-purpose.h
tml - details were changed and the passport chip cloned over one year ago -
'Fakeproof e-passport is cloned in minutes', Times, 6/8/08,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467106.ece
3) NO2ID is the UK-wide non-partisan campaign against ID cards and the
database state. See http://www.no2id.net/dbstate.php for a list of 'database
state' initiatives that NO2ID is actively opposing, and
http://www.no2id.net/datasharing for how it all fits together.
For further information, or for immediate or future interview, please
contact:
Phil Booth (National Co-ordinator, [email protected]) on 07974
230 839
Guy Herbert (General Secretary, [email protected]) on 07956 544
308
Michael Parker (Press Officer, [email protected]) on 07773 376 166
ID cards easily electronically forged
Technical expert Adam Laurie has demonstrated copying, cloning and changing
details [1] on the biometric visa cards being issued by the government to
foreign nationals - the same technology that is to be used for the UK ID
scheme.
This is just the latest in a series of 'hacking' exercises showing the
technical insecurity of the Identity and Passport Service's products [2].
Officials have repeatedly declared them impossible, despite clear evidence
and open demonstrations for the press. The very information most useful to
identity thieves and fraudsters is made more vulnerable by using microchips
*designed* to broadcast your personal details for official convenience.
NO2ID [3] today condemned the Home Office for knowingly making 'ID theft'
easier, ignoring dangerous vulnerabilities in the ID card as it pursues its
real goal - the universal population register that would give officials
unprecedented control of our lives, and make the Home Office king in
Whitehall.
Phil Booth, National Coordinator of NO2ID said:
'This shows up the big con. The Home Office doesn't really care about 'ID
theft', or it wouldn't be pushing technology that any competent crook can
subvert.
'The ID-obsessed officials are putting our personal information at risk in
their scramble to control it. They want to build a population register - the
database for which the card is just a Trojan horse. It doesn't matter how
shoddy the card itself is, or what it costs the public.'
-ENDS-
Notes for editors:
1) 'New ID cards are supposed to be 'unforgeable' - but it took our expert
12 minutes to clone one, and programme it with false data', Daily Mail,
6/8/09 -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204641/New-ID-cards-supposed-unforg
eable--took-expert-12-minutes-clone-programme-false-data.html
2) The microchip, also embedded in 'e-Passports', was first cracked in 2006
- 'Cracked it!', Guardian, 17/11/06,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/nov/17/news.homeaffairs - then the
data was stolen from a passport still inside the envelope in which it is
delivered - 'Safest ever passport is not fit for purpose', Daily Mail,
5/3/07,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-440069/Safest-passport-fit-purpose.h
tml - details were changed and the passport chip cloned over one year ago -
'Fakeproof e-passport is cloned in minutes', Times, 6/8/08,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4467106.ece
3) NO2ID is the UK-wide non-partisan campaign against ID cards and the
database state. See http://www.no2id.net/dbstate.php for a list of 'database
state' initiatives that NO2ID is actively opposing, and
http://www.no2id.net/datasharing for how it all fits together.
For further information, or for immediate or future interview, please
contact:
Phil Booth (National Co-ordinator, [email protected]) on 07974
230 839
Guy Herbert (General Secretary, [email protected]) on 07956 544
308
Michael Parker (Press Officer, [email protected]) on 07773 376 166
My mate said he spoke to some of the no to ID card people in Manchester town centre the other day and they were conspiracy nuts who had just come from a 9/11 truth meeting and thought global warming was a big conspiracy People like that are just gonna scare people off the cause!
edit: They gave him a flyer with a link to all the usual conspiracy stuff (Zeitgeist etc). Does anyone know if these people are part of the main group? I feel a bit stupid talking about the No2ID thing and then a load of nutters go and taint it with their conspiracy rubbish and i seem affiliated with them!
People like that are just gonna scare people off the cause!edit: They gave him a flyer with a link to all the usual conspiracy stuff (Zeitgeist etc). Does anyone know if these people are part of the main group? I feel a bit stupid talking about the No2ID thing and then a load of nutters go and taint it with their conspiracy rubbish and i seem affiliated with them!
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