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Grandma Death said:
Oh do shut up garf-you're tedious in the extreme. :rolleyes:
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do i take it that you aren't able to substatiate your use of bigotry, unwarrented personal abuse, or off-topic attacks in order to attempt to negate the comments made which dash yours to the very rocks...

you are right it's very tiedious to have some one attempting to play the pioty card continually when they reveal themselves to be an unthinking bigot, if you are bored dear frond then cease being boring...
 
editor said:
Let's look closer to home: overall business was up in Scotland after the ban for pubs that offered food:
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So much for the nice pubs that my Mum and Dad would like. What about the grotty ones?

All this bloody nicey nicey cleanliness. Not all pubs should be like that, I think. I will mourn the passing of the grotty British pub.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
is this you actually accepting that there are cutral diferences between the uk the usa and ireland in which case can you also do the same and provide a list of them as i've asked you 3 times now...
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It has been suggested there are cultural differences between the UK and NY when it comes to the smoking ban and perhaps this is the reason why NY trade hasnt suffered...Im still waiting for those 'cultural differences' that explains away such an anomaly.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
So much for the nice pubs that my Mum and Dad would like. What about the grotty ones?

All this bloody nicey nicey cleanliness. Not all pubs should be like that, I think. I will mourn the passing of the grotty British pub.
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I will too, but all you can do is support the ones you like - after all, if the punters keep on coming, then there's a good chance they'll stay open.

I never drink in the Wetherspoons in Brixton, for example, but we've already lost some great pubs.

But the simple fact is that people are voting with their wallets that they want the corporate shiny niceness of Wetherspoon-type boozers. The fact that they've already implemented a non smoking policy a year ago and are doing very well kind of scuppers the 'smoking kills pubs' argument too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm
 
Grandma Death said:
It has been suggested there are cultural differences between the UK and NY when it comes to the smoking ban and perhaps this is the reason why NY trade hasnt suffered...Im still waiting for those 'cultural differences' that explains away such an anomaly.
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i would imagine it would go something like this...

the states has a predericition with following orders, laws and the like and has installed this idea into their general population largely becuase of fear and also intimiadation, this couplled with and entire culture formed around beer advertising and the bar lifestyle which is become more and more infantile in it's adoption couplled with the anthropological nature of the country being still relatively new in terms of culture and the ecomomies of scale meaning there is a significant equiverlent of working class which will poplate all areas of the country inclding new york leads to along with a differeing political and social logical out look a different attitude and indeed prefference for attending bars and clubs. than the UK and or ireland...

are you seriously making any form of suggestion there is not a cultural difference between the three counties... if so state the homgenity ...
 
Grandma Death said:
It has been suggested there are cultural differences between the UK and NY when it comes to the smoking ban and perhaps this is the reason why NY trade hasnt suffered....
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My suggestion was that the UK and its drinking culture are much more like Ireland, so this is the country whose experience should be looked at more closely.
 
editor said:
Let's look closer to home: overall business was up in Scotland after the ban for pubs that offered food:
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Once again, just like in Ireland, it was a tale of two markets - Some pubs catering for some types of customer did well whilst other more traditional pubs did badly.

Here - The SLTA finds an overall drop in buissness of about 10%, which was greater than even they predicted pre-ban.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5276680.stm

Also, like them or not, the SLTA are a body far more representative of the traditional Scottish pub than the owners of Harvester (bypass pubs) & All Bar One (are there even any of those in Scotland yet?)


BTW, the Wetherspoons no-smoking policy of 2006 was a pure publicity stunt, nothing else - It didn't happen! Not one of the pubs they claimed would go non-smoking well before the Scottish ban ever changed & according to the following, they only had 90-odd of their 600+ pubs as non-smoking by the target date set for England.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ccaajpa/pubs-spoons.html
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
shouldn't be using a disability as a term of abuse... love...
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Yes...that was a form of abuse like my experiences are an experession of sexism and bigotry-yes garf-most interesting :rolleyes:
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i would imagine it would go something like this...

the states has a predericition with following orders, laws and the like and has installed this idea into their general population largely becuase of fear and also intimiadation, this couplled with and entire culture formed around beer advertising and the bar lifestyle which is become more and more infantile in it's adoption couplled with the anthropological nature of the country being still relatively new in terms of culture and the ecomomies of scale meaning there is a significant equiverlent of working class which will poplate all areas of the country inclding new york leads to along with a differeing political and social logical out look a different attitude and indeed prefference for attending bars and clubs. than the UK and or ireland...

are you seriously making any form of suggestion there is not a cultural difference between the three counties... if so state the homgenity ...
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No garf Im not-what I am suggesting that I fail to see the cultural differences that can explain away the increase in business for the service industry in NY.

And that still remains the case even after your long winded explanation.
 
Grandma Death said:
No garf Im not-what I am suggesting that I fail to see the cultural differences that can explain away the increase in business for the service industry in NY.

And that still remains the case even after your long winded explanation.
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kindly quote the right bloody post unless you are going to dart back and forth and please respond to the questions posed rather than the asummed ones not... as for beign long winded i'm sorry that a detailed explaination of the cutural differences you cannot see are causing you eye strain...

really what is your point now???

you won't accept others POV or even debate with them on those terms which you previously demand they debate on you are as inconsistant as quicksand....
 
Grandma Death said:
Give it a rest eh garf-and i'm not your love you sexist pig drone drone drone Ad infinitum :rolleyes:
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again with the offtpic abuse... again if your are bored then cease beign boring...
 
Grandma Death said:
Its a joke-I thought seeing as garf liked to throw around facile labels I'd parody his posting style :rolleyes:
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OK, I see it now. :)

*goes back to reading up on this human construct called 'humour'*
 
Grandma Death said:
Its a joke-I thought seeing as garf liked to throw around facile labels I'd parody his posting style :rolleyes:
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erm how is it faclie to point out your obvious derogtitory comment and ask why you said it... and what was your meanign behind such athing you drew the comparitive your made the comment you should if you have half a mind to be able to justify your words when questioned. and tbf i don't think that your current comment can in anyway be justified, and is indefensible.

just as btw using sexist terminology is also indefensible even if it's beign used against men rather than women...

face it you are letting your nasty side show more often and you are being called on it...

it's not accetable to say to other posters ha you act like a spakka which is the essence of what you said, or well you deservie it your a man... which is the essence of what you were defending... but hey, lap it up ... you go on defending that shit if you want ... but don't think it doesn't reduce the wieght of your other arguements or mark you down as being an irrlievent bigot...

as for people being long winded, sorry love, but you can't control other people much as you attempt to...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
erm how is it faclie to point out your obvious derogtitory comment and ask why you said it... and what was your meanign behind such athing you drew the comparitive your made the comment you should if you have half a mind to be able to justify your words when questioned. and tbf i don't think that your current comment can in anyway be justified, and is indefensible.

just as btw using sexist terminology is also indefensible even if it's beign used against men rather than women...

face it you are letting your nasty side show more often and you are being called on it...

it's not accetable to say to other posters ha you act like a spakka which is the essence of what you said, or well you deservie it your a man... which is the essence of what you were defending... but hey, lap it up ... you go on defending that shit if you want ... but don't think it doesn't reduce the wieght of your other arguements or mark you down as being an irrlievent bigot...

as for people being long winded, sorry love, but you can't control other people much as you attempt to...
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Do you know what garf? I never used to understand why some urbanites seemed to dislike you. That was until something I posted in a F4J thread didnt sit well with you and you launched into a tirade of abuse including laughingly labels like bigot and sexist.

Now in this thread you started off an exchange with myself with a torrent of abuse which suggest you not only have a large chip on your shoulder but a stinking attitude. If my 'mask' is slipping then likewise the real you is becoming apparant to me. You're a nasty piece of work whose myopic style of debate leaves a lot to be desired.

I dont spend a great deal of time on Urban-but the time I do spend I'd rather not listen to your abusive & sneering outbursts and endless rants of what you assume me (someone you have never met) to be.

So congratulations garf on being the first and no doubt only person to be on my ignore list.
 
Grandma Death said:
Do you know what garf? I never used to understand why some urbanites seemed to dislike you. That was until something I posted in a F4J thread didnt sit well with you and you launched into a tirade of abuse including laughingly labels like bigot and sexist.

Now in this thread you started off an exchange with myself with a torrent of abuse which suggest you not only have a large chip on your shoulder but a stinking attitude. If my 'mask' is slipping then likewise the real you is becoming apparant to me. You're a nasty piece of work whose myopic style of debate leaves a lot to be desired.

I dont spend a great deal of time on Urban-but the time I do spend I'd rather not listen to your abusive & sneering outbursts and endless rants of what you assume me (someone you have never met) to be.

So congratulations garf on being the first and no doubt only person to be on my ignore list.
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yawn i commented on your cvomments you have taken this to be a personal attack after you patently wriggled and refused to quantify why cultural difference would affect things or for that matter justify why you'd find it accetpable to use a disablity as a form of insult...

if you cannot stump up reasons for either of these and why on another thread which i haven't refference except when you have directly reffered to it, why it would be acceptable to make and invest in blatently sexist comments which others point out, not just me, to you then go ahead stick me on ignore...

speaks volumes that cannot justify the comments you make but would rather throw you toys out... love...
 
I think Grandma Death is Welsh, so I'm on her side. Also, because GLC is being a wanker.
Smoking ban is going OK so far here from what I've seen. People huddled outside on the pavement outside the Glamorgan Staff Club. It was a tad odd being in that place without the smoke - but the worst thing about it was that the smell of old beer in the carpet was a lot more noticable.
 
Waent to the pub to meet a lady friend on monday, I was abit late, when I got a pint and sat down, she got up, put her coat on and went outside for a fag. anti-social druggie.

I am a cannabis user, do I get up and leave the pub mid-pint for a toke? No. I wait until I'm stumbling between boozers. Still, should I want to have a sly toke I now have a load of fag smokers to hide amoung I guess....
 
Major downside in the Murenger last night was other smells. I was stood by the bar doing the quiz (only 2nd - gutted), when someone dropped their guts during the picture round. fucking awful... I predict joss sticks becoming fashionable.
 
If people can't control their sphincters in public then it's their personal duty not to expose others to their noxious gasses. I begin the lobbying the Welsh Assembly tomorrow for a blanket ban on farting in public places. Who's with me. Think of the bar tenders!!!!
 
llantwit said:
but the worst thing about it was that the smell of old beer in the carpet was a lot more noticable.
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Just wait till the pubs start buying industrial quantities of pot-pourri, cheap perfume-squirters & best of all - start burning incense or getting bloody smoke machines to cover it up! :eek:

A Scottish pub the other week - with smoke machine going constantly.

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The place also tends to have a whole pagan altar's worth of incence smouldering away too, band or no band!
 
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