No Smoking in Wales

[editor]

This is true. But the ban has accelerated the trend.

Not in New York:

The city's restaurants and bars have prospered despite the smoking ban, with increases in jobs, liquor licenses and business tax payments since the law took effect a year ago, according to a study to be released by the city today.

The study also found that air pollution levels had decreased sixfold in bars and restaurants after the ban went into effect, and that New Yorkers had reported less secondhand smoke in the workplace.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/29/n...&en=3d3eb86087d9d6a6&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

If a village only has one pub and it's a smoking one, where's the choice for workers?

Or if I'm going out to meet friends who smoke, their addiction to nicotine is likely to be so great I'd be forced to keep on inhaling their poisonous fumes.

Oh, and please explain what makes a pub more inherently "interesting" just because people smoke there?

name the village name the workers ... other wise this fictious pub and it's fantasy staff you have supposedly quizzed to assertain their prefferences as to their working conditions is entirely at your whimsy...

have you ever asked your friends not to smoke around you because you find it so objectionable? what was their reaction to your request?

non smokers are whinny twats with little petty minds and unintresting lives FACT!!! that's what i'd imagine they ment by intresting...

 

[editor]

Regarding your friends, do you really need the law to help you out in your dealings with them? That's a sorry state of affairs, I think - not the law's place at all.

1. Don't patronise me. If you're a smoker, you'll want to go to a smoking pub because you're addicted to nicotine.

2. Sadly, pubs in the UK have been in a huge decline for years and unless they can afford to adapt and refit, they'll continue to close while the big chains prosper.

3. You still haven't answered me why you think workers should be forced to inhale poisonous chemicals at work either.

 

[editor]

non smokers are whinny twats with little petty minds and unintresting lives FACT!!! that's what i'd imagine they ment by intresting...

Give it up Garf. Your weird aggressive outbursts aren't helping the debate.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So you say...but not in New York? Why is that?

and can you point out the actual comparitives between the two socailly economically etc and also those with london ... second time of asking...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So you say...but not in New York? Why is that?

I don't know about NY. Nowhere have I commented on NY. Culturally, we're much more like the Irish, so I'd say their experience is likely to be more revealing.

 

[Grandma Death]

non smokers are whinny twats with little petty minds and unintresting lives FACT!!! that's what i'd imagine they ment by intresting...

Erm...right o garf...thats opinion not a fact



*see your post in Father4 Justice*

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Give it up Garf. Your weird aggressive outbursts aren't helping the debate.

SOH failure alert couplled with use of firkyism ... it's very sad to see his words coming out of your mouth tbf... i'd have thought you more original than that... sadly not...

 

[Grandma Death]

. Your weird aggressive outbursts aren't helping the debate.

Indeed-I find it difficult to engage with a poster who displays all the symptons of tourettes.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Erm...right o garf...thats opinion not a fact



*see your post in Father4 Justice*

that was the refference and the humourious comment hence the smilie jesus there are some po faced people about...

 

[lewislewis]

Hard facts, I'm afraid. Around 10% of pubs in Ireland have closed since the ban. Sales in offies have gone up - smokers are staying at home and drinking and smoking in front of the telly.

If we want a healthier or safer society though, surely it's better if people are drinking (and smoking) at home? Less drink driving then, which is a massive taker of human life.

There will always be a demand for pubs, some will close but all businesses have to change to adapt to society. An 'interesting pub' or 'cosy, smokey pub' is worth alot less to me than a single human life, and let's be honest with ourselves it is scientifically proven that people die because of inhaling smoke.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Indeed-I find it difficult to engage with a poster who displays all the symptons of tourettes.

yeah them retards should of course not be allowed a voice... lock em up eh grandma should we beat them with sticks too....???

 

[Grandma Death]

I don't know about NY. Nowhere have I commented on NY.

That may not have happened in New York, but it appears to have happened in Ireland.

 

[Grandma Death]

yeah them retards should of course not be allowed a voice... lock em up eh grandma should we beat them with sticks too....???

What on earth are you babbling on about

 

[littlebabyjesus]

1. Don't patronise me. If you're a smoker, you'll want to go to a smoking pub because you're addicted to nicotine.

2. Sadly, pubs in the UK have been in a huge decline for years and unless they can afford to adapt and refit, they'll continue to close while the big chains prosper.

3. You still haven't answered me why you think workers should be forced to inhale poisonous chemicals at work either.

1. You do appear to object to any smoking pubs at all because your friends will drag you there. Forgive me if that is not what you meant.

2. True, and the smoking ban is likely to accelerate the decline.

3. By this rationale, all chip shops should be closed as the fumes from the fat are carcinogenic.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't be disingenuous - notice the word 'may' and the context of the reply - I was claiming no knowledge of NY.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

1. Don't patronise me. If you're a smoker, you'll want to go to a smoking pub because you're addicted to nicotine.

2. Sadly, pubs in the UK have been in a huge decline for years and unless they can afford to adapt and refit, they'll continue to close while the big chains prosper.

3. You still haven't answered me why you think workers should be forced to inhale poisonous chemicals at work either.

1. erm surely cos it's the freedom to choose and not be regulated by some non entiy or minorty group about the morals of ones actions, regardless of ones personal qualifications on such matters such as physical addiction....
2. true enough largerly this is however due to increased taxation meaning that people have less dispossable income couplled with higher working hours creating a situation where work time balance is distorted, the last thing you want to do after a long workign day is get hamer to fuckry when you have to get up and do it all again the next day...
3. no on ehas made that assertation and you seem to ignore the vaild poitns i have made about this...

 

[Grandma Death]

2. True, and the smoking ban is likely to accelerate the decline.

But it didnt in NY why are you ignoring this fact?

 

[Grandma Death]

Don't be disingenuous - notice the word 'may' and the context of the reply - I was claiming no knowledge of NY.

Fair point. But you are acknowledging the possibility of this 'fact' and the editor has provided you with evidence-so given that it hasnt happened in NY how can we say that the closure of 10% of pubs in ireland is down to the smoking ban?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But it didnt in NY why are you ignoring this fact?

FFS read my posts. Which country does UK most resemble culturally, Ireland or US?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

What on earth are you babbling on about

your words...

Indeed-I find it difficult to engage with a poster who displays all the symptons of tourettes.

why should someones potential or actually disabilty prevent you from effective communication. the only actual thing which can do this would be your own prejudice or predispossition toward a member of that section of society so don't play dumb granny you know exactly what i'm babbling about, why should punitive comparison to tourettes suffers which is desgined to be derogitory be an acceptable comment regardless of you distaste of anothers comments or opinions... is that acceptable... in your own mind...

you mask has well slipped love...

 

[editor]

2. true enough largerly this is however due to increased taxation meaning that people have less dispossable income couplled with higher working hours creating a situation where work time balance is distorted, the last thing you want to do after a long workign day is get hamer to fuckry when you have to get up and do it all again the next day...

Well that and the vast array of alternative entertainment options now available to people and the massively plummeting cost of takeaway booze.

 

[Grandma Death]

FFS read my posts. Which country does UK most resemble culturally, Ireland or US?

This should be interesting-tell me the cultural differences that explain away the increase in business in pubs/clubs etc in NY following the ban.

 

[editor]

1. You do appear to object to any smoking pubs at all because your friends will drag you there. Forgive me if that is not what you meant.

I've already explained my reasons why I think smoking should be banned from all pubs and that includes the welfare of the staff as well as my own desire not to be forced to inhale dangerous fumes. Perhaps you failed to see those clearly raised points earlier?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Well that and the vast array of alternative entertainment options now available to people and the massively plummeting cost of takeaway booze.

yeah and of course the freeing up of licening times and places it was un heard of say 50 years ago to have an alchol section let alone wine secition in nearly all shops, indeed the sucessive normaliseation of off licences was still happening when i was little... there were only some offies whcih eixisted and had secifc hours which they were open etc...

 

[Grandma Death]

your words...



why should someones potential or actually disabilty prevent you from effective communication. the only actual thing which can do this would be your own prejudice or predispossition toward a member of that section of society so don't play dumb granny you know exactly what i'm babbling about, why should punitive comparison to tourettes suffers which is desgined to be derogitory be an acceptable comment regardless of you distaste of anothers comments or opinions... is that acceptable... in your own mind...

you mask has well slipped love...

Oh do shut up garf-you're tedious in the extreme.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This should be interesting-tell me the cultural differences that explain away the increase in business in pubs/clubs etc in NY following the ban.

I repeat for the hard of reading:

I CLAIM NO KNOWLEDGE OF NY.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

This should be interesting-tell me the cultural differences that explain away the increase in business in pubs/clubs etc in NY following the ban.

is this you actually accepting that there are cutral diferences between the uk the usa and ireland in which case can you also do the same and provide a list of them as i've asked you 3 times now...

 

[editor]

This should be interesting-tell me the cultural differences that explain away the increase in business in pubs/clubs etc in NY following the ban.

Let's look closer to home: overall business was up in Scotland after the ban for pubs that offered food:

Analysts said pub operators deriving most of their revenue from alcohol were likely to suffer when the smoking ban is introduced but those serving food could see an increase in trade as more non-smokers chose to eat in pubs.

This was backed up in a trading statement from Mitchells & Butlers, which owns the All Bar One and Harvester chains. It said yesterday that drinks sales fell 1% in Scotland since the smoking ban, while food sales were up 11%. Overall sales increased by 2.6% in Scotland since the introduction of the smoking ban in March, compared with 3.8% for Britain overall.
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1881745,00.html

 

[lewislewis]

Well i'm sure the Welsh economy is trembling at the prospect...

I'm off down the pub anyway, hwyl fawr i bawb