No Sibel Edmonds thread??!

[Darios]

You wanted evidence of a massive 9/11 and "War on Terror" related cover up and conspiracy from a credible source?

Now you have it:

Citing Justin Raimondo's summary:

"Corruption and a massive cover-up organized at the highest levels of government – America's nuclear secrets and technology looted on a massive scale, and sold to our enemies via a network set up by our alleged foreign "friends," while the threat of nuclear terrorism hangs over our country like a thick fog of fear, and warmongering politicians scare us into going along with the program – if even half of what Edmonds alleges turns out to be true, then we are all in some very big trouble."

Raimondo's article: [link]

Times article:
link

If what Edmonds is alleging is true we should be contacting all of the mainstream media outlets and politicians demand that this receives their immediate attention.

 

[danny la rouge]

There is a Sibel Edmonds thread.

 

[Darios]

Sorry, related to the information in the Times article? Where?

 

[danny la rouge]

Sorry, related to the information in the Times article? Where?

Here.

 

[Random]

There is a Sibel Edmonds thread.

you're a bad person, danny.

Personally i say down with the smoky fear-fog and so forth.

 

[chymaera]

You wanted evidence of a massive 9/11 and "War on Terror" related cover up and conspiracy from a credible source?

I don't want evidence thanks, I don't give a monkey's fuck.

 

[Darios]

You guys are great.

Guess we really do get the government we deserve.

 

[Random]

sheeple

 

[danny la rouge]

You guys are great.

There was a point to my posts. Can you guess what it is yet?

 

[Darios]

No I was thinking complacency and cynicism.

I'd thought since Sibel was gagged that it was for something far more minor than this, maybe uncovering one or two double agents at most.

Instead, she's claiming that there has been an inter-intelligence agency co-operation along with officials in, or close to, the U.S. Administration who have conspired in the release of nuclear technology to nations that are on the watch list and possible enemies in future wars.

But let's not bother with this eh, as of course we know that ALL concerns about 9/11, "The War on Terror" etc are only entertained by "conspiraloons" right?

A credible source, who has been gagged by her own government after presenting her evidence, is now slowly coming out into the public domain and give us something tangible to consider.

But it's all about the lolz right?

 

[chymaera]

You guys are great.

Guess we really do get the government we deserve.

It doesn't matter who you vote for a government gets in.
(I am also surprised that some people still believe the government runs the country.)

 

[Darios]

It doesn't matter who you vote for a government gets in.
(I am also surprised that some people still believe the government runs the country.)

Indeed.

Yet however distanced we might be as individuals from the actual workings of power we are still occasionally given the chance to exercise what little we have.

I'm having difficulty digesting the implications of what Sibel is suggesting (assuming its true, and she's about a credible source as we're going to be able to get in this area) and would very much like to discuss them further.

This is also an opportunity to (at least attempt) to hold the media and our own politicians to account for not considering what Edmonds is presenting. If she is telling the truth then what she is saying has fundamental implications for our own safety and security not to mention the nature of the countries we live in.

Or perhaps we could have another 20-page thread on Big Brother or Madelaine?

 

[chymaera]

I'm having difficulty digesting the implications of what Sibel is suggesting (assuming its true, and she's about a credible source as we're going to be able to get in this area) and would very much like to discuss them further.

On the rare occasions conspiraloons are right, they end up dying in mysterious circumstances.

 

[EddyBlack]

You wanted evidence of a massive 9/11 and "War on Terror" related cover up and conspiracy from a credible source?

Did you see the Why Afghanistan thread? She’s not the only one one raising alarms.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=234547

The CIA destroyerd taped interrogations of key Al-Quaeda figures and have been bollocked by the 911 Commission. However, the information still was leaked through credible sources. In short, the boss of this Al-Quaeda figure was one of the Saudis (the leader of the group in fact) shepherded out of America during the flight ban. Incidentally in a flight that the FBI itself says may have been chartered by Osama Bin Laden!

In other words, Bushes pals run the fucking thing. And it was only ever about making money anyway.

Back on topic, this blogger has been following the case. There is an exclusive interview with Sibel Edmonds and an analysis by another famous whistleblower from the Vietnam era. The second link is an analysis of the Times revelations

Interview

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5260

Article on times

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518#more-5518

I don’t pretend everything is black and white. And I appreciate what people around here do insofar as debunking a lot of the rubbishy ‘911 truth’ claims which require a bit of scrutiny to debunk. However it is clear to me that the reckless corruption and treachery of the executive, and the American legislative branches is plain and undeniable.

Consider what Sibal Edmonds has exposed.

Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece

Senior Administrators, selling nuclear secrets on the black market! The official who ‘has held a number of top govt. posts’, selling this information which could find its way to Osama, for money and favors, be they of the political, or sexual kind. Senior Pentagon officials, ‘including household names’ (Rumsfeld? Wouldn’t be the first time) are involved too. We are talking reckless profiteering, treachery, and criminality at high levels. Added to this is the silencing of Edmonds and the US media.

This spreads from the State department, to the Penatgon, the CIA, FBI.

‘Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.
Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. “A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, ‘We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans’,” she said. “The official said that he would ‘take care of it’.” ‘

I mean for fucks sake. It is not just the CIA and the govt, the FBI as well blocking the truth.

 

[danny la rouge]

But let's not bother with this eh

My point, though, was that you did bother about it. And therefore you posted a thread. That's how it works: someone takes an interest in something, then posts a thread about it.

 

[Darios]

Many thanks for those links Eddy; very useful.

It looks like Edmonds' testimony could be the Rosetta Stone that explains some of the weirdest and nastiest political events in the last decade, such as the outing of Valerie Plame. The Plame outing at the time seemed to me retarded beyond belief, and astronomically out of proportion as "revenge" on Joe Wilson given that it set back the non-proliferation intelligence community so substantially (and possibly fatally for some agents or informants). It now fits horribly perfectly if you suppose that Plame might have been a touch too close to uncovering what Edmonds is referring to.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Interesting.

Incidentally, for anyone put off, this isn't a "911 TROOF" piece; it's not about that at all.

 

[Darios]

Heh.

IMO it's mainly "war on terror" and raises important issues on the media. Check out the backstory on Edmonds' attempts to get this out to mainstream America - Charlie Sheen gets centre stage for a while to entertain half-baked 9/11 doubts, whilst Edmonds apparently has concrete evidence demonstrating systematic govt malfeasance and corruption yet can't get a peep.

There are no doubt aspects to Edmonds' material that touch directly on 9/11, but there's no point in speculating far about those. Her allegations stand on their own as outright incredible not just for their content but because they appear to be backed by substantial credibility (even the Times cites anonymous insider sources who provide correlating stories if not outright confirmation).

 

[goldenecitrone]

The murky world of international espionage. I thought it had all ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

[EddyBlack]

Heh.

IMO it's mainly "war on terror" and raises important issues on the media. Check out the backstory on Edmonds' attempts to get this out to mainstream America - Charlie Sheen gets centre stage for a while to entertain half-baked 9/11 doubts, whilst Edmonds apparently has concrete evidence demonstrating systematic govt malfeasance and corruption yet can't get a peep.

There are no doubt aspects to Edmonds' material that touch directly on 9/11, but there's no point in speculating far about those. Her allegations stand on their own as outright incredible not just for their content but because they appear to be backed by substantial credibility (even the Times cites anonymous insider sources who provide correlating stories if not outright confirmation).

Her testimony has a wider scope than 911, as you say it realates to the 'war on terror' more generally.

I think there is more that she hasn't said, but I don't want to get into too much speculation.
However the quote says a lot:

‘Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.
Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. “A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, ‘We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans’,” she said. “The official said that he would ‘take care of it’.”

Again we have this shielding of 'foreign operatives' who aided the attacks, as with the CIA tapes, and the protection of the Saudi royal that I looked at in the Why Afghanistan? thread.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Good coverage on the BBC I see.

 

[teqniq]

Well now, if it's all true - and on the face of it I presently see no reason to suspect that it's otherwise then the people involved should all be behind bars (wishful thinking I know). I just hope she doesn't wind up dead because of it.

 

[EddyBlack]

Good coverage on the BBC I see.

It takes the piss. The news is ok, do what they say and go back to what you where doing.

Where are all the people that slag off the the '911 truthers' when theres something to say? The mod said its nothing to do with 911 though.
Bullshit. Take it up with Edmonds and the others who know the score. I guess you can't be arsed now?

They should admit when theres a point been made. See above.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It clearly _isn't_ "911 TROOF OH YES MOSSAD BUSH LIZARDS" shite, which was why I said as such. It's a perfectly reasonable piece about CIA and intelligence service politicking. Are you trying to discredit it by association now?

 

[EddyBlack]

It clearly _isn't_ "911 TROOF OH YES MOSSAD BUSH LIZARDS" shite, which was why I said as such. It's a perfectly reasonable piece about CIA and intelligence service politicking. Are you trying to discredit it by association now?

Care to write a sensible post?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

That was a perfectly sensible post. What is it that you are trying to claim that this story results in?

 

[EddyBlack]

That along with the examples I have linked to and detailed. 911, and the perpetrators have been shown by recent news and revelations to be so close to the USG, indeed the same have actively protected and covered up those who have payed ''the terrorists", orgainised them, and have commited impechable offences by doing so , (i.e. treason, accomplice))at all the highest levels of the arms of government. USG, CIA and now (as Edmonds shows) FBI.

Nobody aknowledged for example:

The boss of key Al-quaeda operatives was allowed to fly out of America during the flight ban. Why? Why did the CIA destroy the taped interviews with this operative to the the complete dismay and and exasperation of the 911 Comission despite their specific requests? The information still came out if you care to read the relevant thread through credible whistleblowers.

The leader of the group was alowed (during the flight ban!) to fly, in a flight that was possibly chartered by Bin Laden himslef according to the FBI. (see thread of I will be happy to refresh you).

Why is the FBi taking orders to release suspects of 911 from these foreign operatives? (present Edmonds quote again):

‘Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.
Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. “A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, ‘We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans’,” she said. “The official said that he would ‘take care of it’.”

Why? because the are all the same corrupt crew. How corrupt?, see Edmonds other revelations.

Its about money.

 

[EddyBlack]

That was a perfectly sensible post. What is it that you are trying to claim that this story results in?

Care to respond after your accusations and ridiculous comments?

 

[yield]

Nobody aknowledged for example:

The boss of key Al-quaeda operatives was allowed to fly out of America during the flight ban. Why? Why did the CIA destroy the taped interviews with this operative to the the complete dismay and and exasperation of the 911 Comission despite their specific requests? The information still came out if you care to read the relevant thread through credible whistleblowers.

Please relax, EddyBlack. This could turn out to be geniunely important. Assuming I understand it correctly. The Times must have clearance at the top to run this.

I've forgotten or don't know some of the names. The boss of key Al-quaeda operatives? Who from the CIA destroyed the taped interviews? Who are the credible whistleblowers again?

Basically yes... can I have the link?

 

[EddyBlack]

From post 15:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=234547

There are a number of links and my comments on them there.