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Here he goes, sobered up - but with not the balls to either back up his rambling post or fully take it back. It's back to pretending now. great stuff :D
 
liberty123 said:
I didn't mean to say i was sympathetic to yuppies against "anarchists". It's just the british yob whether a drunken football hooligan or Class war rioter is just so bloody grim and british.

What year is it L-boy?
 
post 59 says all i want to say to you all for the time being. I'll probably pop back in at some future juncture to see how you're all getting on- if i'm suitably bored, lonely and self massochistically depressed enough.

Happy joy division listening and good luck with your next anti-capitalist riot
 
liberty123 said:
post 59 says all i want to say to you all for the time being. I'll probably pop back in at some future juncture to see how you're all getting on- if i'm suitably bored, lonely and self massochistically depressed enough.

Happy joy division listening and good luck with your next anti-capitalist riot

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Yawn. Boring. COme back when you have something to say:p :D
 
bluestreak said:
so what you're saying is that you encourage people to head abroad to seek a better life for themself?

am i not going to get an answer? :(
 
liberty123 said:
I didn't mean to say i was sympathetic to yuppies against "anarchists". It's just the british yob whether a drunken football hooligan or Class war rioter is just so bloody grim and british. Ask most people and they'll agree- as they dream of emmigration to a happier place.

Oh please. Don't wallow in grimness mate. join dating online sites-Take a holiday in Florida or something, meet a woman from somewhere exotic in the world and FALL IN lOVE. Expand your horizons. Don't just live all your life in some dank squat in london, being boorish and listening to Joy division. Don't just settle for looking up at grey clouds and wondering why everyone doesn't join you. Seek the sunshine of life.

You sound like a hippy who has had his head kicked in. :D
 
liberty123 said:
They'rd take off in some areas I think, not all areas. They' showed 7% rating in the opinion polls in the wake of margaret hodge's assertion that 8 in ten of the voters in Barking were talking of intending to vote for them.

Their difficulty is that they can't tailor their policies on the basis of a strictly class based appeal. They would have to persuade tories that they were a tory party- supporting lower taxation etc whilst simultaneously promising council houses etc to working class people etc.

Then again the SNP in Scotland manage to overcome this problem.

Their difficult is that they are a bunch of complete no hopers.
They may say the odd thing that sounds half sensible until it comes under closer examination. But they are still a bunch of social inadequates who wish that Hitler had won the war.

There probably is a space for a right of centre anti immigration party in the UK to be fairly succesful. But it is never going to be the BNP who cant escape their own history and their leadership which is littered with fantasists and cretins.
 
I wouldn't say all of them were social inadequates. Searchlight was furious with the Guardian for that report it made on the London BNP which highlighted their members in the upper echelons of the business world and in drawing attention to that ballerina who supported them. Unusually for an exasperated Searchlight it refused any part in the campaign to sack the woman. Obviously viewing a horde of uncultured lefties chanting outside the home of the national ballet or inside disrupting a performance, as not the image of anti-fascism it wanted to portray.
 
liberty123 said:
I wouldn't say all of them were social inadequates. Searchlight was furious with the Guardian for that report it made on the London BNP which highlighted their members in the upper echelons of the business world and in drawing attention to that ballerina who supported them. Unusually for an exasperated Searchlight it refused any part in the campaign to sack the woman. Obviously viewing a horde of uncultured lefties chanting outside the home of the national ballet or inside disrupting a performance, as not the image of anti-fascism it wanted to portray.

Well I would Liberty. But maybe that is cos i think people who judge people on the colour of their skin are preety sad really. What do you think?
 
tbaldwin said:
Well I would Liberty. But maybe that is cos i think people who judge people on the colour of their skin are preety sad really. What do you think?

well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc. Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.

To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.
 
liberty123 said:
well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc. Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.

To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.

No. Not oblivious. But that doesnt mean you judge somebody primarily on their skin colour does it?

Different people have different experiences and influences. But that can be down to a huge number of things.
 
...and he's off, pathetic start out of the traps. Tied himself up with all sorts of contradictions and made up problems.

racial differences which need to be dealt with?
different proclivities to commit different types of crime
different attitudes to educational attainment,
differing abilities in the field of sports

I lilke the sugestion that you're being 'pro-black at the end'.
 
liberty123 said:
well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc. Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.

To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.

Fuckoff you racist nutzi!

[:mad:]surly and aggressive[/end]
 
tbaldwin said:
Their difficult is that they are a bunch of complete no hopers.
They may say the odd thing that sounds half sensible until it comes under closer examination. But they are still a bunch of social inadequates who wish that Hitler had won the war.

There probably is a space for a right of centre anti immigration party in the UK to be fairly succesful. But it is never going to be the BNP who cant escape their own history and their leadership which is littered with fantasists and cretins.
Dangerous if you meet them on your own coming home from the pub .
No threat to the country .
 
liberty123 said:
well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc. Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.

To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.

Is this the best the master race has to offer?
 
liberty123 said:
well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc. Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.

To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.

0/10
 
liberty123 said:
I didn't mean to say i was sympathetic to yuppies against "anarchists". It's just the british yob whether a drunken football hooligan or Class war rioter is just so bloody grim and british. Ask most people and they'll agree- as they dream of emmigration to a happier place.

Oh please. Don't wallow in grimness mate. join dating online sites-Take a holiday in Florida or something, meet a woman from somewhere exotic in the world and FALL IN lOVE. Expand your horizons. Don't just live all your life in some dank squat in london, being boorish and listening to Joy division. Don't just settle for looking up at grey clouds and wondering why everyone doesn't join you. Seek the sunshine of life.

Ah, more of your woeful generalisations, eh? Truly we are blessed, although in much the same way as people tend to be "blessed" with syphilis.
 
liberty123 said:
well yes and no. Are you suggesting there are no racial differences which need to be dealt with? No racial differences which tend to show themselves in different musical tastes, different proclivities to commit different types of crime, different attitudes to educational attainment, differing abilities in the field of sports etc.
Thanks for the laugh. It's amazing the amusement to be derived reading something written by someone whose grasp of a subject is so tenuous as to be non-existent. :)
"Racial differences" (by which I presume you mean such heritable factors as skin colour, as they're the only pre-determined differences) aren't "racial", there's only a single human race, as any 1st year biology student will tell you.
All the attributes you mention have nothing to do with skin colour or the continent your parents were born on, they have everything to do culture, and culture (unlike skin-colour) is fluid.
It's vastly amusing to see that the old rightwing preoccupation with biological determinism is alive and well, especially as it is Galtonesque nonsense.
Racial identity carries alot of socio-political and historical baggage. A black comentator on Tv recently suggested that the modern day behaviour and attitudes of black youths -what he called their "surlyness and aggression" was a legacy of the treatment of black people in the days of slavery.
Or perhaps a reaction to present-day structural racism.
But hey, far easier to blame victims rather than address root causes, eh?
To be oblivious to someone's race is something only political correct whites pretend to aspire towards.
That depends what you mean by "oblivious". One will always notice the inherited features of another person, but any rational person should be able to set aside any preconceptions that they might hold about people with certain inherited features. That's just common courtesy.
Then again, you appear to live in a world where people believe that a persons' genetic inheritance predisposes them to liking certain types of music, to carrying out certain types of crime, and their environment doesn't influence them at all, so you probably don't have much understanding about concepts such as courtesy or honesty or honour.
 
Pathetic.

I wouldn't say all of them were social inadequates.

Are you serious? The far right is littered with people who think that Valhalla exists, to people who wank over women dressed as school girls while killing themselves with a kettle cord to the freaks that you see in picture after picture at BNP demos.

Sure there might be the odd BNP supporter/passive member who isn't a complete freak but all in all the far right in the UK truely is a bunch of social misfits.

It always makes me laugh when you look on places like Stormfront where you get sexually frustrated losers ranting on about Asians not letting them near "their women". Yeah like I'm sure if it wasn't for community ties then they'd be all over the freaks of the far right :D
 
cockneyrebel said:
Pathetic.



Are you serious? The far right is littered with people who think that Valhalla exists, to people who wank over women dressed as school girls while killing themselves with a kettle cord to the freaks that you see in picture after picture at BNP demos.
Don't forget that it's also littered with people who believe that stories about the current leader and one of his "mentors" are entirely baseless. ;)
Sure there might be the odd BNP supporter/passive member who isn't a complete freak but all in all the far right in the UK truely is a bunch of social misfits.

It always makes me laugh when you look on places like Stormfront where you get sexually frustrated losers ranting on about Asians not letting them near "their women". Yeah like I'm sure if it wasn't for community ties then they'd be all over the freaks of the far right :D
I suspect it's actually a bonehead ploy to save on airfare, given that so many of them head to Thailand to pay to have sex with "dusky maidens".
 
Hrmm you know when you go to Amsterdam or Copenhagen, and you try to learn the language and you think i'm going to mingle here and make friends...I'm going to really enjoy my break from England. And you make friends with some local circle there.

they however have other ideas- apparently they happen to know this english guy and the locals think they'll be doing you a favour by introducing you. You however just groan inwardly- I'm sure even Urbanites have had this feeling. You know you're in probably in for an introduction to some smelly, right-on, self loathing type from london. And you think christ i just don't want this. I thought i was leaving the grimness and the grotty sterility of urban England behind.

it's true though isn't it. we pretend to love ourselves, our politics and our views but we just don't want to meet ourselves when we go abroad. We try and avoid each other like the plague. Is that surreally self-loathing enough?

you know people like the irish hug each other when they meet up abroad in a spirit of comradeship. Us english never do. We seem to despise ourselves in a sense of some sort of alienation from our country. We don't want reminding of the people that make it what is to be back home.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
I think that translates to "I might meet more racists if I go abroad".

Bit of a risk, that one, when you think about it.

Not at all I AM that smelly, self loathing, right-on type form London.
 
Anyway listen i'm thinking how we can get more women. Afterall even class wariors like us need hugs and cuddles and love in life.

To that end I reckon we need to present ourselves on faceparty.

I offer some hints how we can make ourselves more attractive to the opposite sex.

1 don't mention we're on benefit. Fom now on we're "between engagements". Or in fact we're students if anyone asks, investing in our future on professional It courses.

2 we goingt o aspire to own our own homes and be able to offer women the chance of a man on the property ladder.

3 we don't take women back to the squat anymore, nor do we crack open four packs of carlsberg and offer them a can whilst we put the angelic upstarts or Crass on the record player. In fact our new musical tastes are going to be women friendly artists like cyndy lauper and Kate bush and we shan't take women back to a grotty basement club in brixton where we can snort meths and smoke dope- instead we'll show them the bright lights over a cafe latte at some swanky bar in the west end.

4 we don't live in a squat by the way we're staying with friends.

5 we don't abuse each other anymore neither sneer or jeer or threaten or cavil. from now on we're little pleasures to be around, placid, good natured, kind hearted...the sort every man wants to drink with and every woman would be charmed out of the trees by... less urban more urbane.

6 we don't mention beating up BNPers or rampaging through the office of city financiers. From now on we agree that it's wrong immigrants should come to this country and take out what they haven't put in. And we will agree with all women who feel that way too. And instead of beating up city workers we'll aspire to one day become accountancy graduates ourselves.

7 we shall shower every morning. And shampoo is for hair and soap is for the body. It's not enough just to splash ourselves with hot water, or use hair shampoo on the body. And we're going to not leave the house without dowsing ourselves in an array of aftershaves and body deodorants, for that personal appeal and hygenic freshness, that will make us feel better in ourselves.

8 we are going to dump the army surplus gear and combat boots and kit ourselves with the latest fashionably trendy togs, like brand name sweat shirts etc.

9 we're going to take brisk walks each morning and feel happier in ourselves. Only when we're happier in ourselves can we make a woman happy. And a brisk walk in the morning is good for our general levels of depression in general.

10 We're going to try to spend time away from the grotty british inner cities and take regular city breaks in romantic places like Paris and Rome. And we're going to learn European languages and in particular aspire to impress sophisticated continental women.
 
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