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[FridgeMagnet]

No probs, fully understand the point about accessability etc but Chomsky does have some very good books for people new to this type of information (in fact a publishing house released a bunch of small ones for this purpose a few years back). There are ample ways and means of getting into Chomsky it's just he aint as trendy as the Guardian luvvy Klein.

Chomsky may not be a media tart but he's got an immensely solid base of respect. And Klein's not been trendy for years now.

I've seen some very good Chomsky pamphlets, but I find for introducing issues you can't beat books by journos. The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, The Road To Abu Ghraib, Captive State etc do a good job. That's what journos are good at. Now, for proper analysis and underlying political theory, you'll probably have to read things written in a different, more academic style, but that can't really be helped if it's going to be any deeper than sloganising.

 

[Fruitloop]

Actually, its a recurring nightmare being stuck in a lift with Naomis Klien & Wolff , all big haired up & both determined to kill me via droning Liberal monologues delivered in that aforementioned yank accent.

It's a thing devoutly to be wished for, IMO.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

perv forum --->

 

[zoltan]

Chomsky - can be hard work, but have to agree with above in terms of Journos work - weve all read Eric Schlosser stuff that deals with similar issues, but in a less biased or table thumping way - fast food nation is better , albeit with a smaller range of examples, in the examination of corporate culture- a good read rather than a Kiein-esque tirade IMO.

 

[bluestreak]

as on many things like this i find myself thoroughly agreeing with fridgemagnet.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Actually, its a recurring nightmare being stuck in a lift with Naomis Klien & Wolff , all big haired up & both determined to kill me via droning Liberal monologues delivered in that aforementioned yank accent.

Naomi Wolff?

 

[zoltan]

Yup.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

What particuarly is your problem with her? I think The Beauty Myth is a very good book.

Also, this isn't necessarily directed at you personally, but I have noticed that in re: to these sorts of books it's the female authors who tend to get it in the neck much more than the male authors. And I wonder why tbh. There's a big part of me which can't help thinking it's in part due to women, particuarly in popular academia, not being as respected as much as their male colleagues.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I think it's a good book as well but she never comes across from interviews as someone I'd like to be stuck in a lift with. I think Germaine Greer might be good company, though. And no, this is not some sort of Klein-on-Greer fantasy either, before anyone starts.

 

[Fruitloop]

perv forum --->

I meant for zoltan, bien sur.

I think if there's one thing freepbots hate more than an articulate leftist it's an articulate female leftist. Maybe they'd like to train dogs to rape them, like that Pinochet character that Thatch was so fond of. Fascism and misogyny are familiar bed-fellows, as a cursory glance at history shows.

 

[zoltan]

Its not a mysogonistic thing - far from it - but I find that Klien & wolff have both happliy adopted the mantle of being Shock troops for US Liberalism & come across as being ambitious & humourless -yes, I know this may have something do do with the fact that Women have to be MORE pushy & MORE ambitious in the male dominated workd- esp academia, and so those who succeed have to be more hard nosed that their male counterparts to achieve the same level of success - hence the feeling is of a comlpete lack of humour in the work - this of course is another topic entirely.

Specifically Wolff - have you you read her latest - fuckin hell

 

[kyser_soze]

Fucking brilliant if you work ni advertising. First half good, especially the stuff on how branding works etc, second half not so hot and FWIR some of her economc analysis is pretty sus.

 

[zoltan]

I meant for zoltan, bien sur.

I think if there's one thing freepbots hate more than an articulate leftist it's an articulate female leftist. Maybe they'd like to train dogs to rape them, like that Pinochet character that Thatch was so fond of. Fascism and misogyny are familiar bed-fellows, as a cursory glance at history shows.

Aha - so I have an opinon on a particularly tiresome author ( IMO ) who is also a woman = facist.

Oh well.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

If you're a right-wing social conservative, an articulate female leftist is not only a political traitor, but a gender role traitor as well. To take an example, the astounding misogynist bile directed at Hilary Clinton - Hilary Clinton ffs, hardly what you'd call left-wing in the first place - still surprises me.

I have to say that there's been some rather misogynist stuff about people like Ann Coulter, but not nearly to the same degree.

 

[Fruitloop]

Coulter seems to promote herself as some kind of ghastly sex-symbol, though, so you could argue that she's exposing herself to criticism based on how she looks etc (although I wouldn't personally). It's pretty unthinkable that Klein et al. would promote themselves in a similar way.

 

[Fruitloop]

Aha - so I have an opinon on a particularly tiresome author ( IMO ) who is also a woman = facist.

Oh well.

No, you're a fascist with tiresome opinions about a woman author.

 

[zoltan]

The Pix of Coulter in a PVC mini dress are probabaly the closest that the likes of Pat Robertson & Strom Thurmond et al get to a female sex idol - a truly horrible thought.

 

[zoltan]

No, you're a fascist with tiresome opinions about a woman author.

IM going to have a,lie down & a doze now - can you wake me up when you come up something original please ?

 

[Agent Sparrow]

I have to say that there's been some rather misogynist stuff about people like Ann Coulter, but not nearly to the same degree.

And from my understanding it's more "way hey, I want a piece of that!" rather than more malicious stuff.

zoltan69 - not calling you personally a misogynist but I do wonder sometimes if the male bias there is in society subconsiously influences how the public see the work of men and women, particuarly in popular academia. That men have somehow got it more right and can be trusted more, that a woman who is passionate and serious about something is seen as more "humourless and ambitious" than her male counterparts (and I don't think you can't level that critism at lots of male authors). That men write the main theories and women just write around the issues. Certainly in psychology which is more my area of expertese women have been marginalized througout the discipline, both as psychologists and as subjects.

Edit: tip if you don't want to come across as a misogynist though - best not to publically talk about thoughts of throwing women down stairs.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Coulter seems to promote herself as some kind of ghastly sex-symbol, though, so you could argue that she's exposing herself to criticism based on how she looks etc (although I wouldn't personally). It's pretty unthinkable that Klein et al. would promote themselves in a similar way.

She is a Founding Pundit of the Media-Friendly Right, certainly, and that post requires a certain level of gloss - at least if you're a woman it does, there certainly doesn't seem to be the same requirement for the male members.

 

[zoltan]

I agree - the male bias is evident throughout Academia & its correct that aprt form occupying certain niches, there are less women installed & respected within its structure - anyone with an experince of this world can see it.

TO clarify, irespective of sex, I find No Logo an apallingly stretched monologue of endless repetition & constant banging the point home about the authors particular bugbear. I found the atypical USLiberal tirade & repetition irksome to say the least , regardless of any opiniopns of my own I may hold on the subject. Its just a rubbish book!

 

[kyser_soze]

The Pix of Coulter in a PVC mini dress are probabaly the closest that the likes of Pat Robertson & Strom Thurmond et al get to a female sex idol - a truly horrible thought.

Never been able to work that one out - Shannen Doherty is a Republican too and she's far hotter than Coulter...

 

[zoltan]

Hmmm.... I would also push Roger Scruton down the same stairs - does that balance up things ?

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Hmmm.... I would also push Roger Scruton down the same stairs - does that balance up things ?

Nah, now you're just a misenthrope with anger management problems.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Never been able to work that one out - Shannen Doherty is a Republican too and she's far hotter than Coulter...

But Coulter is an intellectual too! She writes books, don't you know!

 

[kyser_soze]

But Coulter is an intellectual too! She writes books, don't you know!

I'm reminded of the quote about female writers and dogs walking on two feet...

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Japanese chain store. "MUJI" is derived from the Japanese phrase "Mujirushi Ryohin," meaning "No Brand Goods."

Close but I want to be pedantic



Muji means no mark, no pattern or blank.

Mu means nothing.

Shirushi or Jirushi means mark, or pattern.

Ryohin means 'good thing' 'good stuff'.




More like 'pain and simple good stuff'. Nothing really to do with no logo.

 

[kyser_soze]

BTW, Muji is a great store.

Psycherelic - did you view Curry as 'trendy' when you were younger, or do you regard any foreign food as being 'trendy'.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

BTW, Muji is a great store.

Psycherelic - did you view Curry as 'trendy' when you were younger, or do you regard any foreign food as being 'trendy'.

Yeah, it's ace. In Japan you can now buy Muji houses.

I was amazed the first time I went in Ginza and they were selling just about everthing, including kitchen sinks.

It's all a fuck load cheaper in Japan compared to here too.

 

[psycherelic]

Psycherelic - did you view Curry as 'trendy' when you were younger, or do you regard any foreign food as being 'trendy'.

Ummmm no?

I'm not a xenophobe just a luddite, it's new and fashionable therefore inevitably crap