No Lambeth return for Paddick
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In that case:
WE WANT BRIAN BACK! NOW!
Originally posted by 43mhz
jon gaunt on bbc london radio is questioning paddicks motives on his show.
a quote from gaunty, "why is he talking to anarchists websites"
Gaunt was mentioned in last week's New Statesman as being a bit of a twat ... why on earth do the BBC, of all people, employ him! He should be on some shite backwater like Talk Sport.
No time (these days!!) to say much except to add my support for what it's worth to everyone campaigning to get Brian back. This is all outrageous!!
WTF is the Daily Mail saying today, btw? Suggest Mike casts a careful legal eye over it.
WTF is the Daily Mail saying today, btw? Suggest Mike casts a careful legal eye over it.
Stobart Stopper
Well-Known Member
same old shite........page 20.
"I am not going to quit, says defiant Paddick on 'anarchy' website."
(Mean-looking pic!)
"last night, the officer returned to the website, where he once revealed that he found the idea anarchy attractive, to say that he would stay in the force."
blah blah blah.
off to eat my baby now.
"I am not going to quit, says defiant Paddick on 'anarchy' website."
(Mean-looking pic!)
"last night, the officer returned to the website, where he once revealed that he found the idea anarchy attractive, to say that he would stay in the force."
blah blah blah.
off to eat my baby now.
Well, if they are reading this, I'm just off to do loads of crack and heroin at a huge kinky-sex orgy with one-legged asylum seekers. Anyone coming, so to speak?
WOOOO! WHAT A SCOOP!
There a quite a few 'guests' hanging around in here today, I notice....
agricola - you might know. What, in a nutshell, is the position of a police officer compared with a 'civilian' employee in cases of unfair or, more to the point, constructive dismissal? I am assuming police officers' rights are curtailed in some ways for putative 'security' reasons.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
infostella,
i have no idea; but in terms of sex- and race-discrimination its been shown that what the Police say or do in their disciplinary code is trumped by the civil system, most notably with Sgt. Virdi's case. of course, that we are even talking about it is a shocking state of affairs
i have no idea; but in terms of sex- and race-discrimination its been shown that what the Police say or do in their disciplinary code is trumped by the civil system, most notably with Sgt. Virdi's case. of course, that we are even talking about it is a shocking state of affairs
White Lotus
Provisional Buddhist
You missed a bit - lesbian asylum-seekers, shurely?Originally posted by IntoStella
Well, if they are reading this, I'm just off to do loads of crack and heroin at a huge kinky-sex orgy with one-legged asylum seekers. Anyone coming, so to speak?
Everyone welcomeOriginally posted by White Lotus
You missed a bit - lesbian asylum-seekers, shurely?
Come on, we're about to sacrifice the virgins.Miscellaneous
Princess
It makes me sick at the way they are treating Brian Paddick, and it certainly changes my mind to wether I want to join the force and in some years time possibly have to face this shit too.......
A word for the Police Cheifs:
Its not good for recruitment is is you idiots?!?!?
oOoOoOo Sacrificing- can I come?????
Manda
xxxxx
A word for the Police Cheifs:
Its not good for recruitment is is you idiots?!?!?
oOoOoOo Sacrificing- can I come?????
Manda
xxxxx
Manda, we do have SOME standards!Originally posted by Manda
oOoOoOo Sacrificing- can I come?????
White Lotus
Provisional Buddhist
Er ... not morning sickness I hope??
(Sorry I can't stay & chat ... got a bloke strung up & coming to the boil nicely here ...
)Miscellaneous
Princess
C'mon you know you want to
Constructive dismissal
What, in a nutshell, is the position of a police officer compared with a 'civilian' employee in cases of unfair or, more to the point, constructive dismissal? I am assuming police officers' rights are curtailed in some ways for putative 'security' reasons.
Constructive dismissal applies to police officers like anyone else. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to prove. And the fact a copper is moved sideways from one job to another would not be viewed automatically as being detrimental (it's in the contract that you agree to serve wherever the organisation wants you).
Sadly even if Brian proved he was being discriminated against because he is gay he would not have an alternative cause of action.
Now, if he'd been black (racial discrimination) or female (sex discrimination), both of which give rise to specific causes of action in the Employment Tribunal, he'd just be sitting around with his lawyers wondering about how many "0"'s he wanted (they are talking about bringing in a sexuality discrimination act - why stop there - why not a Discrimination Based on any Bloody Irrelevant Characteristic Act but it won't be applicable for ages and won't be retrospective)
What, in a nutshell, is the position of a police officer compared with a 'civilian' employee in cases of unfair or, more to the point, constructive dismissal? I am assuming police officers' rights are curtailed in some ways for putative 'security' reasons.
Constructive dismissal applies to police officers like anyone else. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to prove. And the fact a copper is moved sideways from one job to another would not be viewed automatically as being detrimental (it's in the contract that you agree to serve wherever the organisation wants you).
Sadly even if Brian proved he was being discriminated against because he is gay he would not have an alternative cause of action.
Now, if he'd been black (racial discrimination) or female (sex discrimination), both of which give rise to specific causes of action in the Employment Tribunal, he'd just be sitting around with his lawyers wondering about how many "0"'s he wanted (they are talking about bringing in a sexuality discrimination act - why stop there - why not a Discrimination Based on any Bloody Irrelevant Characteristic Act but it won't be applicable for ages and won't be retrospective)
Daily Telegraph Missed Key Paddick-Lambeth Facts
Appearing on BBSNews Page One http://bbsnews.net
Daily Telegraph Missed Key Paddick-Lambeth Facts
BBSNews Updated 2002-10-13 -- The Daily Telegraph surely made a halfhearted
attempt in covering the latest news into what will happen with Commander
Brian Paddick. (2002-10-10)1 And their recollection of local Lambeth history
looks a bit shaky even from this far away here in North Carolina.
The Telegraph leads with the fact that Brian Paddick was cleared of drug
charges. But they left out that those now non-existant charges came about
because of an enormous sum of money. This homophobic row kicked into high
gear after $156,000, was handed over to James Renolleau2 by a tabloid for a
sensationalistic smear story. Renolleau then promptly scooted off to
France3.
To be fair the Telegraph does conclude that Paddick will keep his
£93,000-a-year salary. But then they go on to bring up that old "anarchy"
thing again. Was this a "cub" reporter who has not taken the time to see
remarks that The Commander made were taken wildly out of context4 and then
published in a tabloid? The article goes on to claim that "opinions on him
have been sharply divided."
Not from any factual perspective. In February 2002, The Guardian opined "We
need more police officers like Paddick."5 On March 11th, Big Issue editor
Matthew Collin was joined by the Mayor of London, Paul Livingstone, MP's
Paul Flynn and Brian Iddon, and many other community leaders and opinion
makers as signatories to an open letter to Sir John Stevens6 which is
poignantly supportive of Brian Paddick. (Metropolitan police commissioner
Sir John Stevens' office declined to comment to
BBSNews for this report.) Also in March, eight days after Paddick announced
he would be transferred, 300-400 supporters gave him a standing ovation and
cheers in a Brixton town meeting. A meeting attendee and favorite at
urban75.com is Mrs. Magpie. She said after the March 26th, 2002 General
Meeting of the Community Police Consultative Group for Lambeth: "I am glad
that there was a huge spontaneous cheer. It didn't surprise me, because he
has always regarded us in Brixton as allies7, not as
means to furthering his career and he was there to thank us for our support
and we appreciated him being there."
On April 24th, 2002 a 5,000 signature petition was presented to New Scotland
Yard8 asking for Paddick's return. In July of each year Lambeth holds a
"County Show" in Brockwell Park. This year Lambeth4Paddick set up a stall
and gathered 400 comments that were overwhelmingly in favor of Commander
Paddick9. I cannot recall the time that a senior police official here in the
United States or in the UK for that matter has so spontaneously elicited
such a sustained groundswell of community support.
The support was unprecedented right from the start. As soon as the removal
of Paddick from his rightful post in Lambeth happened, the posters went up
in support of a man that truly has the respect of the community.
The claim by the Telegraph that the local petition was anything but an
outpouring of community feeling towards this top cop, who even understands
some cultures extreme aversion to large dogs10, is unsupportable even from
this great distance. This is an amazing display that so many people have
gotten together in support of a police chief whose job is to make safer some
very tough ground by all accounts. His way has been largely vindicated by
the facts11 and by the amazing support of his community.
Acting Lambeth Borough Commander Brian Moore said on October 1st, 2002 that
one of the reasons for success in tackling local crime was "The impact of
Commander Brian Paddick in forging an alliance between the community and the
police.12"
To Kate Hoey I say, the "stunt" you speak of, it is to be adopted across the
whole of London is it not13? And how can cannabis even be called a large
problem when most people across the UK don't even know cannabis is
illegal14? Also in the BBC's Cracking Crime report15 it was noted that
"almost half (46%) did not think the government's cannabis policy - under
which the drug will be downgraded but remain illegal - would have any effect
on overall crime levels." This man has been cleared. He should be going back
to the place that is ready to honor his return. Sir John Stevens promised16.
Send Brian Paddick back to Lambeth.
The numbers above are the references included with this article. They accompany the article on BBSNews in clickable form and the copy that I sent to Sir John Stevens after they refused to directly comment. I could not include any of the 16 refs here as Mike has the BBS set to keep messages short.
As has been the case, BBSNews also calls for the return of Brian Paddick to Lambeth. It would be great if we had a couple of thousand police chiefs like him here in the states. If anyone has had a successful reply back from Sir John Steven email address please let BBSNews know. I don't believe that it serves any function at all given the run-around that I have gotten from them.
Michael Hess
Editor, BBSNews
http://bbsnews.net
Appearing on BBSNews Page One http://bbsnews.net
Daily Telegraph Missed Key Paddick-Lambeth Facts
BBSNews Updated 2002-10-13 -- The Daily Telegraph surely made a halfhearted
attempt in covering the latest news into what will happen with Commander
Brian Paddick. (2002-10-10)1 And their recollection of local Lambeth history
looks a bit shaky even from this far away here in North Carolina.
The Telegraph leads with the fact that Brian Paddick was cleared of drug
charges. But they left out that those now non-existant charges came about
because of an enormous sum of money. This homophobic row kicked into high
gear after $156,000, was handed over to James Renolleau2 by a tabloid for a
sensationalistic smear story. Renolleau then promptly scooted off to
France3.
To be fair the Telegraph does conclude that Paddick will keep his
£93,000-a-year salary. But then they go on to bring up that old "anarchy"
thing again. Was this a "cub" reporter who has not taken the time to see
remarks that The Commander made were taken wildly out of context4 and then
published in a tabloid? The article goes on to claim that "opinions on him
have been sharply divided."
Not from any factual perspective. In February 2002, The Guardian opined "We
need more police officers like Paddick."5 On March 11th, Big Issue editor
Matthew Collin was joined by the Mayor of London, Paul Livingstone, MP's
Paul Flynn and Brian Iddon, and many other community leaders and opinion
makers as signatories to an open letter to Sir John Stevens6 which is
poignantly supportive of Brian Paddick. (Metropolitan police commissioner
Sir John Stevens' office declined to comment to
BBSNews for this report.) Also in March, eight days after Paddick announced
he would be transferred, 300-400 supporters gave him a standing ovation and
cheers in a Brixton town meeting. A meeting attendee and favorite at
urban75.com is Mrs. Magpie. She said after the March 26th, 2002 General
Meeting of the Community Police Consultative Group for Lambeth: "I am glad
that there was a huge spontaneous cheer. It didn't surprise me, because he
has always regarded us in Brixton as allies7, not as
means to furthering his career and he was there to thank us for our support
and we appreciated him being there."
On April 24th, 2002 a 5,000 signature petition was presented to New Scotland
Yard8 asking for Paddick's return. In July of each year Lambeth holds a
"County Show" in Brockwell Park. This year Lambeth4Paddick set up a stall
and gathered 400 comments that were overwhelmingly in favor of Commander
Paddick9. I cannot recall the time that a senior police official here in the
United States or in the UK for that matter has so spontaneously elicited
such a sustained groundswell of community support.
The support was unprecedented right from the start. As soon as the removal
of Paddick from his rightful post in Lambeth happened, the posters went up
in support of a man that truly has the respect of the community.
The claim by the Telegraph that the local petition was anything but an
outpouring of community feeling towards this top cop, who even understands
some cultures extreme aversion to large dogs10, is unsupportable even from
this great distance. This is an amazing display that so many people have
gotten together in support of a police chief whose job is to make safer some
very tough ground by all accounts. His way has been largely vindicated by
the facts11 and by the amazing support of his community.
Acting Lambeth Borough Commander Brian Moore said on October 1st, 2002 that
one of the reasons for success in tackling local crime was "The impact of
Commander Brian Paddick in forging an alliance between the community and the
police.12"
To Kate Hoey I say, the "stunt" you speak of, it is to be adopted across the
whole of London is it not13? And how can cannabis even be called a large
problem when most people across the UK don't even know cannabis is
illegal14? Also in the BBC's Cracking Crime report15 it was noted that
"almost half (46%) did not think the government's cannabis policy - under
which the drug will be downgraded but remain illegal - would have any effect
on overall crime levels." This man has been cleared. He should be going back
to the place that is ready to honor his return. Sir John Stevens promised16.
Send Brian Paddick back to Lambeth.
The numbers above are the references included with this article. They accompany the article on BBSNews in clickable form and the copy that I sent to Sir John Stevens after they refused to directly comment. I could not include any of the 16 refs here as Mike has the BBS set to keep messages short.
As has been the case, BBSNews also calls for the return of Brian Paddick to Lambeth. It would be great if we had a couple of thousand police chiefs like him here in the states. If anyone has had a successful reply back from Sir John Steven email address please let BBSNews know. I don't believe that it serves any function at all given the run-around that I have gotten from them.
Michael Hess
Editor, BBSNews
http://bbsnews.net
Constructive dismissal
I can't wait.
bbsnews/michael - brilliant stuff! Keep up the great work, if that doesn't sound too patronising (I hope not). I'm so glad you see this as such a crucial fight (it is), even from all the way over there in N Carolina. This is what blows me away every time about urban75. It's globalisation in a GOOD way!
DB -- thanks for the clarification. No, it won't be restrospective, unfortunately, but a time will eventually come when police officers (or anyone else) will be able to successfully fight cases of discrimination on the grounds of sexual preference. And the police force are so going to hate it.
I can't wait. bbsnews/michael - brilliant stuff! Keep up the great work, if that doesn't sound too patronising (I hope not). I'm so glad you see this as such a crucial fight (it is), even from all the way over there in N Carolina. This is what blows me away every time about urban75. It's globalisation in a GOOD way!
Paddick did manage to achieve a reduction in street crime in Brixton which can only be a good thing. Why is it that when ever there is a decent police chief who really does something useful and achieves good results they get booted out. Another example would be Rob Malon police chief of Middlesborough who achived a 20 per cent redution in crime in that city within 18 months who had vowed to reduce the crime rate within six months or resign. He was booted out of the force too on trumpted allegations of corruption!
newbie
undisambiguated
That implication is quite clear. The response I got from the Commissioner's email flunkey was unambiguous:
"As part of the realignment of the management structure, Commander Paddick will be taking on the responsibility for the Metropolitan Police operation of the National Intelligence Model, which will be part of the new Specialist Crime Command under AC Ghaffur."
No ifs or buts
"As part of the realignment of the management structure, Commander Paddick will be taking on the responsibility for the Metropolitan Police operation of the National Intelligence Model, which will be part of the new Specialist Crime Command under AC Ghaffur."
No ifs or buts
Same principle ... very different approach!
I agree that Ray Mallon would be another example of the "if you rock the boat we'll get you somehow" approach which appears to be ever more prevalent in todays police service. However, when it comes to style, I think you'll find he's about as far from Brian as it's possible to get. He favoured the "get tough", "zero tolerance" approach and the allegations centered around persuading criminals to accept a few more offences to clear the books (as well as some more dodgy stuff involving recycling hard drugs).
He was cleared of criminal charges and resigned before the disciplinary things were sorted out in order to stand as Mayor of Middlesborough (claiming the police were deliberately delaying things in order to stop him standing). (He was elected Mayor I think).
I agree that Ray Mallon would be another example of the "if you rock the boat we'll get you somehow" approach which appears to be ever more prevalent in todays police service. However, when it comes to style, I think you'll find he's about as far from Brian as it's possible to get. He favoured the "get tough", "zero tolerance" approach and the allegations centered around persuading criminals to accept a few more offences to clear the books (as well as some more dodgy stuff involving recycling hard drugs).
He was cleared of criminal charges and resigned before the disciplinary things were sorted out in order to stand as Mayor of Middlesborough (claiming the police were deliberately delaying things in order to stop him standing). (He was elected Mayor I think).
