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No go zone for DESI

bigbawbag said:
Pity he only managed to get 6 of the scum before he got out really. No indication in any of the stories that he was SAS (apart from the fact that every soldier who has ever served in NI is described as SAS in the papers).

Scots doing the Irish thing - whether it be Loyalist or Republican - is the saddest thing I can think of - is your culture that poor you have to pretend to be Irish FFS?
We are judged by our words. Mmm?
 
Dilzybhoy said:
We are judged by our words. Mmm?

Well if you're judging that I despise terrorists and that I think Jocks that have to pretend to be Irish are fuckwits, then well done - you've got me pegged.

btw I'm suggesting that you've said it to me on another "forum".
And you know fine well what I'm on about.

I assume you're talking about a military site? In which case, yes I probably have, although I don't remember it.
 
Bigdavalad said:
Well if you're judging that I despise terrorists and that I think Jocks that have to pretend to be Irish are fuckwits, then well done - you've got me pegged.
Not that there's a difference between having an opinion on the national question in Ireland and "pretending to be Irish" or anything. :rolleyes:
 
In Bloom said:
Not that there's a difference between having an opinion on the national question in Ireland and "pretending to be Irish" or anything. :rolleyes:

I'd say there's a difference between having an opinion on it and hundreds of thousands of inbred Rangers and Celtic twats singing the "Soldier's Song" and "Could ya go a Chicken Supper Bobby Sands?" or the "Sash"
 
Oh well, silly me - all the Iraqis that have perished since 2003 much have just er ...spontaneously combusted, nothing at all to do with US/UK soldiers invading or anything. :rolleyes:

If you think that the media would ever show the shocking scenes that would be produced in the aftermath of coalition bombs Tobyjug, I'm afraid you are naive.

The majority of deaths over in Iraq are caused by US/UK forces and yet day after day we see insurgent bombings on the news and all the violence caused by them alone....hmm, wonder why no focus on coalition 'activity' or come to think of it, no focus on the fact that there wouldn't be any insurgency violence without us being there in the first place? No media spin there at all....
 
X-77 said:
Oh well, silly me - all the Iraqis that have perished since 2003 much have just er ...spontaneously combusted, nothing at all to do with US/UK soldiers invading or anything. :rolleyes:

If you think that the media would ever show the shocking scenes that would be produced in the aftermath of coalition bombs Tobyjug, I'm afraid you are naive.

The majority of deaths over in Iraq are caused by US/UK forces and yet day after day we see insurgent bombings on the news and all the violence caused by them alone....hmm, wonder why no focus on coalition 'activity' or come to think of it, no focus on the fact that there wouldn't be any insurgency violence without us being there in the first place? No media spin there at all....
That deaths are caused isn't an issue, the point was that the army doesn't recruit anyone with mental health issues, any hint of history of it puts you in front of a doctor for a long detailed interview on it if you're lucky, if not the army just waves goodbye.

Now if you want to go off on a rant about iraq i don't really care, have fun, i'm just trying to clear up this point.
 
X-77 said:
The majority of deaths over in Iraq are caused by US/UK forces and yet day after day we see insurgent bombings on the news and all the violence caused by them alone....hmm, wonder why no focus on coalition 'activity' or come to think of it, no focus on the fact that there wouldn't be any insurgency violence without us being there in the first place? No media spin there at all....

Can you actually prove that?
 
tobyjug said:
The vast majority of demos announced on these boards only have a few men and a dog turn up to them. The anti-war demo was very much an exception.
Whilst protest and demonstration may be important to a few people with a lot of time on their hands, the reality is most of the population could not give a monkeys fuck about protesting and demonstrations unless it is a localised issue which directly effect them.
Thousands turned up last time and caused major disruption, thousands will turn up this time- exclusion zone or not.
 
Bob_the_lost said:
That deaths are caused isn't an issue, the point was that the army doesn't recruit anyone with mental health issues, any hint of history of it puts you in front of a doctor for a long detailed interview on it if you're lucky, if not the army just waves goodbye.

Now if you want to go off on a rant about iraq i don't really care, have fun, i'm just trying to clear up this point.
who said that was 'the point'? :confused: That has nothing to do with the conversation I was involved in. :rolleyes:
 
Bigdavalad said:
Can you actually prove that?
prove that the coalition has killed more people?

Apart from it being blindingly obvious that US and UK capability would have caused far more destruction and therefore deaths, the Iraq Ministry of Health revealed as much not long ago:
01/28/05 "BBC" -- Coalition troops and Iraqi security forces may be responsible for up to 60% of conflict-related civilian deaths in Iraq - far more than are killed by insurgents, confidential records obtained by the BBC's Panorama programme reveal.

Official figures, compiled by Iraq's Ministry of Health, break down deaths according to insurgent and coalition activity. They are usually available only to Iraqi cabinet ministers.

The data covers the period 1 July 2004 to 1 January 2005, and relates to all conflict-related civilian deaths and injuries recorded by Iraqi public hospitals. The figures exclude, where known, the deaths of insurgents.

The figures reveal that 3,274 Iraqi civilians were killed and 12,657 wounded in conflict-related violence during the period.

Of those deaths, 60% - 2,041 civilians - were killed by the coalition and Iraqi security forces. A further 8,542 were wounded by them.

Insurgent attacks claimed 1,233 lives, and wounded 4,115 people, during the same period.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7906.htm
 
silentNate said:
Thousands turned up last time and caused major disruption, thousands will turn up this time- exclusion zone or not.


If you say so, no wonder more prisons are being built.
 
X-77 said:
prove that the coalition has killed more people?

Apart from it being blindingly obvious that US and UK capability would have caused far more destruction and therefore deaths, the Iraq Ministry of Health revealed as much not long ago:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7906.htm

I wouldn't say it was blindingly obvious - there's plenty of big suicide bombs that kill a hell of a lot of people - I seem to remember one killing 60 odd people up round Baghdad somewhere. Do you think that the Coalition could just wipe 60 innocent people out in a oner and get away with it? Also, there's one big word in that article - MAY. Troops MAY be responsible for 60%, not are responsible.

god how nice.

No, it's a shithole and it stinks.
 
Is there an exclusion zone around the firing ranges used during DSEI?
I ask because I may well be camped near one of them at the time, and I could do with some free entertainment.
 
X-77 said:
who said that was 'the point'? :confused: That has nothing to do with the conversation I was involved in. :rolleyes:
Then you should stop derailing this thread, it's gone from interesting and moderatly new material to you almost soley dragging it into the morass of "iraq bad" which we've heard a thousand and one times if you can't say anything on topic then don't say anything :mad:
 
silentNate said:
If your happy seeing taxes spent imprisoning peaceful protestors then more fool you :(


I would doubt peaceful protestors are going to be imprisoned.
Protestors who hurl foul mouthed abuse at police officers are not being peaceful.
 
tobyjug said:
I would doubt peaceful protestors are going to be imprisoned.
Protestors who hurl foul mouthed abuse at police officers are not being peaceful.
I saw them attempting to arrest someone on Critical Mass for putting his bike on the grass :eek: :mad:
Why not ask those that attend about the police rather than getting your opinions from the Daily Express? :confused:
 
Bob_the_lost said:
Then you should stop derailing this thread, it's gone from interesting and moderatly new material to you almost soley dragging it into the morass of "iraq bad" which we've heard a thousand and one times if you can't say anything on topic then don't say anything :mad:
oh get lost, I was responding to tobyjug who was trying to get away with saying that most protests are attended by 'two men and a dog' apart from 'pro-fox hunting' ones - typical you wouldn't moan about that though. And as if a thread about an arms fair isn't related to war :rolleyes:
 
tobyjug you say the anti-war protest was an exception. Well the the recent demo in Scotland against the G8 was attended by 200-300,000 people and was the biggest demo in Scottish history. Or was this another exception?

What about the huge demonstration against the G8 a few years back in Birmingham, or another huge demo against Longbridge shutting down a few years back?

The 10,000s who demonstrated at the May Day demonstrations?

What about the 10,000s that came out in support of the FBU?

I can give you other examples, but are all these exceptions? Along with an anti-war movement, which was the biggest in British history by far.

I will add though that there is absolutlely no chance of the Dsei demo being like the Poll Tax and have some sympathy with Taxamo's comments.
 
cockneyrebel said:
tobyjug you say the anti-war protest was an exception. Well the the recent demo in Scotland against the G8 was attended by 200-300,000 people and was the biggest demo in Scottish history. Or was this another exception?

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It was not the much hyped million though was it?
Although you have come up with few exceptions, as yet there has not been one shred of evidence for any more than a minority of the 48 million adults giving a monkeys fuck about protesting or protestors. Protest and demonstration very much a minority activity.
 
tobyjug said:
It was not the much hyped million though was it?
Although you have come up with few exceptions, as yet there has not been one shred of evidence for any more than a minority of the 48 million adults giving a monkeys fuck about protesting or protestors. Protest and demonstration very much a minority activity.

but surely an activity engaged in by less than half the population is a minority activity?
 
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