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Maybe you could get your demo sponsered by the riot control companies.
Their itching to use their products .Get them to cough up the readies and you
could riot on demand .
 
Taxamo Welf said:
You are completely mad.

Please stop being completely mad or just leave politics alone.

Thanks.

Sorry to be so forward but i am sick of having to be associated with or having to defend completely mad people whilst on political actions.
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You don't have to be associated with them nor are you required to defend them.

Protesting is not some sort of exclusive pastime only reserved for those not deemed to be "mad".


Everyone, mad or otherwise, must play their own part. :)
 
no, thats not the case. Anyone with experience of activism has had an episode where they were lumped in wiuth a nutter in some way. Even being on a demo where there are nutters is embarassing. The first mayday i was on, there was some crackhead woman shouting at a pig in a van to switch off his engine as ity was gassing the crowd. I didtinctly remember her yelling ´people are dying out here!´at him. i also didtinctly remember thinking that i wanted nothin to do with the politics of an event that attracted these kind of fruitloops.

Since then i have had the pleasure of these kind of things many a time. The best was having to do trial support with a woman who was totally mental, who talked in her interview and who....

fuck it this is incoherent bollocks. Suffice to say i will not tolerate nutters/exceedingly stupid people on political work any more, i don´t mind if that makes me an ´elitist` or a bigot. Communism will surely provide a better life for such people but that doesn´t mean they are any good at bringing it about.
 
tobyjug said:
To be honest the hype that thousands will turn up at this or that demo is just not being backed up on the day at demo after demo announced on these boards. (I forgot no-one will announce a pro-fox hunting demo on here).
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are you suggesting that pro-fox hunting demos outnumber anti-war/left demos? Heard of the biggest demo in British history have you - that was against the impending Iraq war and that was attended by more than 1 million people. And just the other week we had thousands protesting the G8.

There's been plenty of demos that consist of thousands & thousands and they are generally not mobilised by the right-wing of this country, sorry to have to tell you.
 
X-77 said:
are you suggesting that pro-fox hunting demos outnumber anti-war/left demos? Heard of the biggest demo in British history have you - that was against the impending Iraq war and that was attended by more than 1 million people. And just the other week we had thousands protesting the G8.

There's been plenty of demos that consist of thousands & thousands and they are generally not mobilised by the right-wing of this country, sorry to have to tell you.
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The vast majority of demos announced on these boards only have a few men and a dog turn up to them. The anti-war demo was very much an exception.
Whilst protest and demonstration may be important to a few people with a lot of time on their hands, the reality is most of the population could not give a monkeys fuck about protesting and demonstrations unless it is a localised issue which directly effect them.
 
tobyjug said:
The vast majority of demos announced on these boards only have a few men and a dog turn up to them. The anti-war demo was very much an exception.
Whilst protest and demonstration may be important to a few people with a lot of time on their hands, the reality is most of the population could not give a monkeys fuck about protesting and demonstrations unless it is a localised issue which directly effect them.
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how do you know about all these demos with 'a few men and a dog' turning up? sounds like a very tired generalisation to me.:rolleyes:

As for 'the anti-war demo' being an exception - all the anti-war demos in the last couple years have been attended by thousands. Feb 15 was the exception because it was 1 million +

And the reality is not that the majority could 'not give a monkeys fuck' - Feb 15 2003 was massive after the Mirror had plugged it for weeks on end for example. How many other demos have that level of promotion? Says a lot about what happens when public awareness is raised about an issue on a national scale, doesn't it?

but if it comforts you to think that in reality people on the whole don't give a shit about such boring issues as war, go ahead and carry on with that sort of thinking..whatever makes you happy.
 
X-77 said:
but if it comforts you to think that in reality people on the whole don't give a shit about such boring issues as war, go ahead and carry on with that sort of thinking..whatever makes you happy.
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I have already stated the anti war demo was very much an exception.
The vast majority of people could not give a shit about most of the issues a few activists get wound up about.
 
tobyjug said:
I have already stated the anti war demo was very much an exception.
The vast majority of people could not give a shit about most of the issues a few activists get wound up about.
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Well i would beg to differ with you Toby. And as someone who`s never been engaged in protest activity you ( as usual in your approach come to these things from a rual and outsider perspective with liitle or no understanding of whats ACTUALLY occuring )...as some of us have been protesting outside Reed exhibations main office ( directly outside Richmond tube station every month) the response from the public regarding what this arms group are getting away with, with public money has been over whelming........
Stop seeing things from a limited prism of your own construction dude...
i challenge you to come to the events organised by the anti-DESI groupings and then repeat that " No one could give a shit"...i think you will be found sorely wanting on that....
 
cemertyone said:
. And as someone who`s never been engaged in protest activity you .
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Don't make assumptions. Just because I don't go around waving banners and making a nuisance of myself outside of various factories, business premises and exhibitions does not mean I don't protest.
What I don't have any illusions about is the fact that most people could not give a fuck about protest or protestors.
I am in fact in the process of protesting, but other than a letter to the local press, there will not be much in the way of evidence about it as I will take my protest where it needs to be taken, and discuss it with the people it needs to be discussed with.
 
cemertyone said:
Well i would beg to differ with you Toby. And as someone who`s never been engaged in protest activity you ( as usual in your approach come to these things from a rual and outsider perspective with liitle or no understanding of whats ACTUALLY occuring )...as some of us have been protesting outside Reed exhibations main office ( directly outside Richmond tube station every month) the response from the public regarding what this arms group are getting away with, with public money has been over whelming........
Stop seeing things from a limited prism of your own construction dude...
i challenge you to come to the events organised by the anti-DESI groupings and then repeat that " No one could give a shit"...i think you will be found sorely wanting on that....
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this is true - another example is the protest outside marble arch M&S every thursday. I've been a few times now and there are always loads of people coming up to the protest, signing petitions, chatting about the Palestinian cause....whereas the counter demo from the zionists have literally zero interest from the public. (not being biased, just telling it like I saw it).

I've taken part in local anti-war stalls and we have raised over £300 (to send to a hospital in Fallujah) in the space of a couple hours from passers-by, again with a lot of people wanting to stop and engage.

People do care, protest is important. Unless you experience it first hand it is just pointless making sweeping generalisatons. People shouldn't think that just because they couldn't give a shit about the way their world is going, or because the media ignores practically 100% of political activity, that they are in the majority.
 
X-77 said:
People do care, protest is important. Unless you experience it first hand it is just pointless making sweeping generalisatons. People shouldn't think that just because they couldn't give a shit about the way their world is going, or because the media ignores practically 100% of political activity, that they are in the majority.
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Try and give me some evidence than anything like a majority of adults in Britain, ( about 48 million people over 18) ever take part or support protests and demos.
Normally just a few thousand people, the anti war demo excepted, take part in protest and demonstration, the vast majority of the 48 million adults don't.
 
tobyjug said:
Try and give me some evidence than anything like a majority of adults in Britain, ( about 48 million people over 18) ever take part or support protests and demos.
Normally just a few thousand people, the anti war demo excepted, take part in protest and demonstration, the vast majority of the 48 million adults don't.
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but does that mean they don't care or that they have vastly differing views or wouldn't be on that demo had they all the facts about what is going on? That's why the media is packed full of propaganda and pure spin - if it was as honest as the Mirror was in the run up to Feb 15 you'd see those sort of numbers reproduced regularly, and then the govt would be in trouble. There are whole industries out there that have the effect of (whether intentionally or otherwise) distracting people from the truth.

Get rid of the scapegoats and nonsense that we are bombarded with, and then judge whether ordinary people's mentalities are so different from people on these boards.

How long do you think the Iraq war could have gone on for, for instance, if the BBC showed footage of civilians being bombed to death? Bodies in the rubble, blood and gore, civilians shot dead by trigger happy soldiers at checkpoints - shocking images of what our soldiers are literally doing out there? There would be mass outrage - it's not rocket science. Things are covered up for a reason and that reason is to keep the public on side.
 
tobyjug said:
I would suggest the spin and propaganda is not confined to the media if you believe a word of that.
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I suggest you are in denial or cloud cuckoo land if you don't believe a word of that.
 
X-77 said:
I suggest you are in denial or cloud cuckoo land if you don't believe a word of that.
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If you think that any untoward activity on a major scale by British armed services would or could be buried by the media I am afraid it is you living in cloud cuckoo land.
 
tobyjug said:
If you think that any untoward activity on a major scale by British armed services would or could be buried by the media I am afraid it is you living in cloud cuckoo land.
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I can't believe I missed out on all the stuff we apparently get to do over there. I spent six months in that shithole (Basra actually does stink of shit) and never got to shoot a single civvie, never got to torture a single person, I never even got to headbutt an Iraqi baby. Where did I go wrong?
 
tobyjug said:
Don't make assumptions.
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Well that's fuckin rich!
crackpot said:
I am in fact in the process of protesting, but other than a letter to the local press, there will not be much in the way of evidence about it...
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Which negates the point surely?
fruitloop said:
...as I will take my protest where it needs to be taken, and discuss it with the people it needs to be discussed with.
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Such as...?
The wee men in yer heid???
 
Bigdavalad said:
I can't believe I missed out on all the stuff we apparently get to do over there. I spent six months in that shithole (Basra actually does stink of shit) and never got to shoot a single civvie, never got to torture a single person, I never even got to headbutt an Iraqi baby. Where did I go wrong?
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Precisely my point. Any psychopath thinking of joining the army to get them easy access to their jollys is going to be mightily disappointed.
 
tobyjug said:
Precisely my point. Any psychopath thinking of joining the army to get them easy access to their jollys is going to be mightily disappointed.
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Nah toby those type join MOD Plod. (shoulder numbers I don't need no steeenking shoulder numbers) :(
 
Dilzybhoy said:
Why's that then?
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Because despite the perception of the anti British Army types on U75 the sort of action a psychopath wants is not going to be available by joining the army. (Not the British Army anyway)
 
That's why I said 1.4 million pages :rolleyes:

Anyway I can't be bothered to debate with you. Carry on with your prattling.
 
Dilzybhoy said:
You're just a BIGOT aintcha toby?
You can't possibly imagine accepting the facts no matter what innit?
bigot.
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What actuarial facts are those please?
I am not a bigot I am realist. There is no evidence of widespread misbehaviour towards civilians by British Army squaddies.
 
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