onenameshelley
is Major Morgan's bitch
fractionMan said:
I havent signed on though and i dont really want too but its good to know
No degree? Fuck off we don’t want ya!
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I havent signed on though and i dont really want too but its good to know
subversplat
writer of wrongs
I think I'm proud to not have a degree at the moment. Sticking it to the establishment or something.
But, then again, I'm a barman...
But, then again, I'm a barman...
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Can you get degrees in smiling widely, not spilling drinks under turbulence, opening tricky packets of peanuts and pointing helpfully at emergency exits?Belushi said:
subversplat
writer of wrongs
You need a degree to get to the JSA interview stage nowfractionMan said:
fractionMan
Custom Title
It's called 'media studies'.subversplat said:Can you get degrees in smiling widely, not spilling drinks under turbulence, opening tricky packets of peanuts and pointing helpfully at emergency exits?
feyr
evil evil monkey!
onenameshelley said:Yeah so i had better get employment or its not gonna happen, but i am pretty sure that i will enjoy it and i will finally lay to rest the fears of being incredibly stupid if i get a degree
i have a degree , a 2.2 from a good uni in an academic subject. i tried severval times to get on a primary teaching course but competion too high ( lots of people with 1sts applying just becasue they dont know what else they want to do
) i started working with kids, mainly disabled/special needs when i was 13 so i have 10 years of experience,2 full time in a school. i also have 2 kids, 1 of whom has special needs himself. but i'm still less suitable for even an interview than someone with a better degree !i've ended up doing my ma with the ou in an attempt to stand out from all the other applicants. its madness 
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
onenameshelley said:
Well that's bloody reassuring
I haven't got a degree either. Looks like I'm fucked as well
Callie
Pivoting
The place where i work takes on people preferentially the more qualifications they have - even if the only qualifications required for the job are A-level or equivalent.
We currently have someone with a masters working as a lab assistant mm yeah cos they're really gonna want to stay arent they?
We currently have someone with a masters working as a lab assistant
mm yeah cos they're really gonna want to stay arent they? 
_angel_
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Is it really that hard to get on a pgcefeyr said:i have a degree , a 2.2 from a good uni in an academic subject. i tried severval times to get on a primary teaching course but competion too high ( lots of people with 1sts applying just becasue they dont know what else they want to do
maybe you'd be better off doing a BED or whatever they're called nowadays even though it's a longer winded route and a bit of a pain to do 4 years.
Cloo
Banana for scale
If you've got the experience, I'd apply regardless. I don't think many people would refuse to consider someone with years of relevant experience.
It just doesn't compute that an employer looking for a junior-ish finance person, for example, would turn down an interview with someone with three years' finance experience in favour of a graduate with a few holiday jobs.
It just doesn't compute that an employer looking for a junior-ish finance person, for example, would turn down an interview with someone with three years' finance experience in favour of a graduate with a few holiday jobs.
rubbershoes said:
You're missing the dear leader's points on this though, remember that according to the manifesto for change or whatever place they set out this bollox, it states that utopia is going to be 18.899% closer when 50% of young people are in higher education.
Or something like that. I've posted on the unemployment thread about how I hate this stupid formulaic approach to applications. I have a friend who got a 1st and he did some bloody hard A levels and only got something like BBC even though he is very smart and on the ball too. So he has trouble applying for graduate jobs as he doesn't have the required UCAS points. What a load of nonsensical crap. This guy would easily be better in a lot of jobs than many with supposedly better A level results.
Same happens with people without degrees. I know a mixture of people with and without degrees. Whether they have a degree or not bears NO relation to their personal attributes if they were to apply for a lot of non specialist jobs.
I've a degree but feel that it was a squalid affiar only done to gt a piece of paper to allow me to make job applications. I've been through a crappy necessary factory.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
The blame for this shit can be placed squarly on the prevailing ideology of the last 25 years that "employers should be able to demand what the fuck the want". Combine this with the "buyers' market" casued by high unemployment (due to never-ending job cuts everywhere) over the same 25 years and we haev the shithole of a "flexible" jobmarket we have today.
Still - aren't we lucky maggie and tony "modernised" us into this state, eh?
Still - aren't we lucky maggie and tony "modernised" us into this state, eh?
lobster
Well-Known Member
What kind of IT company is this? is it related to finance ? if so i can understand that, as they good for nothing shits. I would look out for other openings, or even contribute or start your own open source project , which i am sure you have done already. The education in India is in many ways better than here, depending on where you study.
With this attitude of the IT company, do you want to settle and enjoy the job? or just get the experience and move on to better things?
I am sure your 3rd from wherever you went is equal to a first at many ex poly unis, so i would not worry about that.
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
For a lot of jobs these days, stipulating a degree as a requirement is really just used as a weeding out tool. If the job's any good, it'll get loads of applicants. Highly unlikely anyone's going to go through hundreds of CVs with a fine tooth comb - they want a way to ditch 90% of them straight away, so they can concentrate on a much smaller number. What with everyone and his dog going to uni these days, it's inevitable that degrees will be increasingly used as the filtering criteria.
Ironically, for the same reasons, after a degree has got an applicant a foot in the door the potential employers will probably ignore it entirely - from then on, it's experience & demonstrable abilities that count.
Consequently, not having a degree isn't the end of the world. You've just got to convince them you're worth considering, even though you don't match their simplistic elimination criteria.
Ironically, for the same reasons, after a degree has got an applicant a foot in the door the potential employers will probably ignore it entirely - from then on, it's experience & demonstrable abilities that count.
Consequently, not having a degree isn't the end of the world. You've just got to convince them you're worth considering, even though you don't match their simplistic elimination criteria.
onenameshelley
is Major Morgan's bitch
Minnie_the_Minx said:Well that's bloody reassuring
I haven't got a degree either. Looks like I'm fucked as well
sorry chicks have been feeling a bit chainsaw massacre about the whole thing
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
I know people without degrees who are doing very well indeed. Joined a firm at the bottom and worked their way up. The longer you've been in the same company, the less stuff like degrees matter. The hard bit is getting your foot in the door, and often accepting that a lack of qualifications may mean you start off in a position you'd consider beneath you. 3 or 4 years in the same company, progressing slowly and steadily, would be more than a match for a degree - probably much better.
onenameshelley
is Major Morgan's bitch
reNnIe said:
yeah its one of those jobs you have to luck your way into then once you have a couple of years experience they are tripping over themselves to employ you, i only have 6 months proven experience which is why i havent been able to make that leap in to being highly paid.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
he'll be the one you get to delegate toonenameshelley said:are you suggesting that they become the ruler of planet shelley, i do not think this would work? but am agreeable to sharing the world only if i get to have it for the afternoon shift...am rubbish in the AM.
everyone else;
Ok...the recruiter POV; there is NO, repeat NO substitute for relevant experience. good contacts - and knowing how to work them - are more important than a degree, as is personal character, but there is no better way of proving to an employer that you can do a job, than that you've done the same thing elsewhere.
a degree shows
1) you've the application and perseverance to stick 3 years of study and
2) you can absorb info and splurge it out in roughly the right place.
in other words, when you've got sod all else to go on, as with most grad recruitment, it's what you have to go on.
the best reason to do a degree is education itself, which will ALWAYS BE A WORTHWHILE AIM!!!!!
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
lobster said:
My arse.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Red Jezza said:he'll be the one you get to delegate to
everyone else;
Ok...the recruiter POV; there is NO, repeat NO substitute for relevant experience. good contacts - and knowing how to work them - are more important than a degree, as is personal character, but there is no better way of proving to an employer that you can do a job, than that you've done the same thing elsewhere.
a degree shows
1) you've the application and perseverance to stick 3 years of study and
2) you can absorb info and splurge it out in roughly the right place.
in other words, when you've got sod all else to go on, as with most grad recruitment, it's what you have to go on.
the best reason to do a degree is education itself, which will ALWAYS BE A WORTHWHILE AIM!!!!!
Cheers for that Jezza, a much appreciated insight that. Thing is if I showed them my address book on my mobile phone I reckon some of them would be a little shocked (journos, PAs MPs, high ranking political types, heads of education orgs etc). What I’m going to have to do is work that into the cover letters without it seeming too showy!
Mr_Nice
A Weekend Warrior
I don't have a degree, just 1 O level 
I am in IT (SAP) and in my arena experience counts for everything. I am also freelance, qualifications have never been an issue, it's all about what you know and how well you deal with people. Must admit though that If I couldn't find a job then I wouldn't hang around here in the UK ....
I am in IT (SAP) and in my arena experience counts for everything. I am also freelance, qualifications have never been an issue, it's all about what you know and how well you deal with people. Must admit though that If I couldn't find a job then I wouldn't hang around here in the UK ....
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
that was a third at my uni.Maddalene said:
it makes me cross though - degree classifications should be standardised.
That said, teaching is the only job i've ever applied for where anyone cared what i got in my qualifications - i've even had to present certificates. For my GCSEs, no less.
But i've done a lot of jobs, and i do have a degree (fwiw) - but apart from teaching, no one has ever checked...
fractionMan
Custom Title
I had to get around 90% for my first.
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