No dancing and no gays if Hamas gets its way
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
pbman said:I'm a methodist.
You're also a cowardly chickenhawk.
The point I am obviously making pbman, is that many of your political ideologues do not tolerate homosexuality, and only then with reluctance for PR reasons. Modern secular belief systems are not hampered by medieval interpretations of much older texts that demand intolerance.
cemertyone
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pbman said:
Sounds like your average US religious based republican state controlled council....
what`s the difference between Hamas abusing gay people and the political representitives of the republican party doing the same..sorry you have lost me...and don`t your good mates in the Isreali right think the same way on this issue as Hamas does...?????
cemertyone
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JHE said:
No your right of course...those red necks who believe in the word of GOD...simply beat them to death...
and there was me thinking that those arabs do the same...gosh there must not be that much difference between tham after all...silly me...
cemertyone
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Jo/Joe said:
yeah to true..everytime i come out of the fridge 9 after thier mixed....gay nights) those LIBERALS from brixton are absolutely there in gangs just waiting to beat guy and non-christain`s up...its really shocking....
In Bloom said:
When you fight for isreal to give up control, you are fighting for hamas, to take control,as their is no one else their with power............
Many times in reality, their is no middle ground, you either support saddam or you support us.............
You guys like to belive in a middle ground that doesn't exist.
pbman said:You implied it, by ignoring it.
LIke most lefties, when it comes to your friends doing bad, your lost, and say nothing.
Weak, peebs, very weak.
In point of fact I agree with everything oi2002 says about Hamas and the Palestinian left. Certainly, I don't regard Hamas as 'friends.' Moreover, he's exactly right about the wider movement away from rationalism and enlightenment values and towards religion and various other forms of mysticism. Your Christian fundies are as much a part of that as hamas and the like.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
peppery said:
He's saving his virginity for Christ.
Johnny Canuck3
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http://www.roblittle.com/a2003/gaypride_june2003.shtml
http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd0155/gay-parade-17
http://www.slrobertson.com/ga-gay-pride.htm
http://www.alleytheatre.com/Alley/Parades_and_Festivals_EN.asp
http://www.osadallas.org/articles/2003/sep21.htm
http://www.stlcriticalmass.org/events/pride02/
You're somehow trying to compare the attitudes of the US religious right with Hamas and other muslim fundamentalists.
US fundamentalists don't like homosexuality, but look at the above links.
Now, show me something similar from Palestine or even any other Islamic-controlled city or country.
http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd0155/gay-parade-17
http://www.slrobertson.com/ga-gay-pride.htm
http://www.alleytheatre.com/Alley/Parades_and_Festivals_EN.asp
http://www.osadallas.org/articles/2003/sep21.htm
http://www.stlcriticalmass.org/events/pride02/
You're somehow trying to compare the attitudes of the US religious right with Hamas and other muslim fundamentalists.
US fundamentalists don't like homosexuality, but look at the above links.
Now, show me something similar from Palestine or even any other Islamic-controlled city or country.
pbman said:
I'm not a liberal at all.
No, of course Hamas's persuecution of gays isn't alright. It's far from alright. On the other hand, as peppery says, it's absurd to suggest that palestinians should be denied self-determination because of the record of some of their more fundamentalist elements on gay rights. Or are you suggesting that every country that persecutes gay people should be invaded and placed under occupation?
In point of fact, gay rights groups already are protesting about persecution of gay people in Palestine - and good for them.
But again, peebs, the problem here is one of religion. As Johnny points out, the Christian fundies don't make quite as much of a habit of having queers executed as the Islamists (although if some of them got their way, they would), but their hate is still inspired by religion, just like that of Hamas.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
fair dinkum. OP was none too clear, that's allJo/Joe said:
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
err...why does Palestine having a muslim majority equate to it being 'an Islamic-controlled country'? would you describe sweden as a 'protestant controlled country'?Johnny Canuck2 said:
cemertyone
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pbman said:
And the difference between the fundamentalists of Hamas and the religious fundamentalists of zionism...is the with of a rizla paper.they have a lot more in common with each other than you give credence to...
Have you ever been to some areas of Jur on the sabbeth where if you are driving or doing anything on the Sabbath ( that contraveins some religious edit) your likely to have your car windows smashed in.
Johnny Canuck3
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Red Jezza said:err...why does Palestine having a muslim majority equate to it being 'an Islamic-controlled country'? would you describe sweden as a 'protestant controlled country'?
Surely you understand my point. The US religious right has a particular opinion and viewpoint, but it doesn't control the lives of those who disagree with them. The same can't be said for most countries with an active islamic fundamentalist representation.
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