No Country For Old Men - Discussion of it's ending, necessarily containing Spoilers..
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The Groke
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Orang Utan said:
Then one would wonder what his original motivation was - surely it was the retrieval of the money.
His relentless pursuit would have been meaningless according to his implied - and twisted - personal code/philosophy if he did not end up with the cash????
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
He'd killed his boss, Welles and Llwellyn for breaking his twisted moral code, he was only interested in vengeance
Swarfega said:Then one would wonder what his original motivation was - surely it was the retrieval of the money.
His relentless pursuit would have been meaningless according to his implied - and twisted - personal code/philosophy if he did not end up with the cash????
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's exactly not the case. His whole code is based on the notion that once you set something in motion, you can't change it. He and Wells collided, he made a commitment to Wells - if you don't do this, I will kill you and your wife, rather than just you. It's not about the money. The money is the least important thing in his code./
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Swarfega said:
Yes but in the sense of completion of his mission, rather than getting his hands on the actual cash (I believe).
Swarfega said:
I think that's sort of the point...
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Go watch again and report back 
Gah - I gotta do some work now - booo
Gah - I gotta do some work now - booo
The Groke
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El Jefe said:
The more I try to recall the details, the more they seem to slip away from me......
Still not sure I get this though;
I understand about the whole inevitability aspect but I still reckon that there has to be a specific goal, otherwise his inexorability becomes, directionless, infinite and thus pointless...?
That doesn't even make sense.
Maybe I just dunno what the fuck I am talking about.
I wrote a good critique on Battlefield Earth once.
Swarfega said:
His goal was to get the money. In the course of trying to get the money, he made MOSS a deal: give me the money and i'll kill you but i won't kill your wife. Don't give me the money and I will. At that point, the deal between him and MOSS has its own momentum
eta: sorry, Moss.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
not Wells, Llewelyn.
The Groke
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El Jefe said:
Moss, not Wells....
You are confusing me even more now..
Fair enough - a branching of goals/new developments occur and a significant portion/point of the movie revolves around that, but by your own account, having been "set in motion" he would not have stopped until the money was retrieved and thus I am interested to know what happened to it.....
Swarfega said:
that's what makes him terrifying. He doesn't work to the same codes as everyone else - Bell, Moss, his boss or even Wells, who understands him best (they have history).
It comes back to this evil that Bell senses in the modern world - torture for torture's sake - and Chigurgh for Chigurgh's sake. He has his own honour - the money is the link between him and his victims but not the reason.
Elvis Parsley
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don't. there is no sense to be made from that film, no matter how you look at itSwarfega said:I think I shall watch Norbit tonight.
CharlieAddict
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chrigurh saw himself as the hand of fate.
and that the money was destined to be his.
he said this after refusing moss' offer of getting the money 'right away.'
and at the end, he does get the money from the motel room (as someone already pointed out).
and that the money was destined to be his.
he said this after refusing moss' offer of getting the money 'right away.'
and at the end, he does get the money from the motel room (as someone already pointed out).
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Wow! It's been nominated for 8 Oscars!
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
Oddly enough - Norbit has an oscar nom too
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Orang Utan said:
gwan!
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I’m surprised at the preoccupation with where the money ended up – does it inform the themes of the piece in a way I’m not understanding?
Fwiw, it seemed pretty clear to me the Terminator got the bag – the clue, as stated, is the coin by the duct and him throwing $100 bills at the kids after the accident (what other point was there for the accident scene) – and either he kept it or he did a deal in the room there and then with TLJ, no other possibilities.
That issue is hardly the main problem though with a plot that didn’t seem to hold together too well for me. But it was okay, in a Coen Bros haven’t-I-seen-this-before-but-done-less-well kind of way.
Loved the first hour, but then a sense of clever-cool-almost gimmicky began to affect my concentration, but I only saw it this lunchtime so perhaps it’ll seem less so after a while.
Fwiw, it seemed pretty clear to me the Terminator got the bag – the clue, as stated, is the coin by the duct and him throwing $100 bills at the kids after the accident (what other point was there for the accident scene) – and either he kept it or he did a deal in the room there and then with TLJ, no other possibilities.
That issue is hardly the main problem though with a plot that didn’t seem to hold together too well for me. But it was okay, in a Coen Bros haven’t-I-seen-this-before-but-done-less-well kind of way.
Loved the first hour, but then a sense of clever-cool-almost gimmicky began to affect my concentration, but I only saw it this lunchtime so perhaps it’ll seem less so after a while.
christonabike
Elm Park Bencher
I thought they had tried to make a Tarantino film, or rather, it sometimes reminded me of a Tarantino film
Liked it still
Liked it still
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
This aint gonna go away!
I'm just curious! It's not all about "themes" where was a story going on as well!
Coin by the duct: he could have just been looking for the bag in the same place as it was hidden in the last motel...
I thought the point of the accident scene was to further underline his relentlessness and absolute refusal to be caught even when he'd been in a serious car accident and had a bone sticking out of his arm.
And he wasn't ever in the hotel room with TLJ so how could he have done a deal with him there?
London_Calling said:
I'm just curious! It's not all about "themes" where was a story going on as well!
London_Calling said:
Coin by the duct: he could have just been looking for the bag in the same place as it was hidden in the last motel...
I thought the point of the accident scene was to further underline his relentlessness and absolute refusal to be caught even when he'd been in a serious car accident and had a bone sticking out of his arm.
And he wasn't ever in the hotel room with TLJ so how could he have done a deal with him there?
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Where was he hiding – in the shadows outside, behind the door, but certainly somewhere where he needed to hide from TLJ – which was odd anyway as he wasn’t the kind of character to hide at any point. Point: A deal could have been struck
Nothing needed underlining, it was a pretty spare piece. After the preceeding 2 hours it’s hardly a point that needs underlining anyway – he is Mr Terminator or the Borg.
Don't understand wha t you're saying about the coin - it was a clue right?
Nothing needed underlining, it was a pretty spare piece. After the preceeding 2 hours it’s hardly a point that needs underlining anyway – he is Mr Terminator or the Borg.
Don't understand wha t you're saying about the coin - it was a clue right?
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Proof that IMDb is peopled by divs:
http://us.vdc.imdb.com/title/tt0477348/usercomments?filter=chrono;start=0
http://us.vdc.imdb.com/title/tt0477348/usercomments?filter=chrono;start=0
CharlieAddict
nekomimi rocks!!!
London_Calling said:
yeah...i forgot about the $100 bill.
that was a dead give-away.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Orang Utan said:
wot a twat, he should have gone to see Rush Hour 3
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
London_Calling said:
Well OK I see what you're saying. Not my interpretation but yes, I see where you're coming from with the coin being a clue and the $100 bill.
I totally disagree about a potential deal with Bell though - just doesn't fit at all to me although it's true that I don't know where he was hiding. I don't even know if he was hiding in that same room!
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
PieEye - What about the old guy in the petrol station - lived only because he guessed the toss of the coin correctly?
But sure, he was focused on the chase. He offered a deal to several people though - either on the coin toss or in relation to the girlfriend, so he had previous.
Anyway, the point of the film was . . . .
But sure, he was focused on the chase. He offered a deal to several people though - either on the coin toss or in relation to the girlfriend, so he had previous.
Anyway, the point of the film was . . . .
CharlieAddict
nekomimi rocks!!!
the point of the film is that if you find $2million and a bunch of dead mexicans in the desert.
take the money.
and never go back.
R.I.P.
take the money.
and never go back.
R.I.P.
