No borders in the NHS. Bristol meeting.

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by BristolEcho, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    Hi Everyone,

    The Bristol Care workers network have a arranged an open meeting at Hydra bookshop on Sunday to organise resistance to immigration checks through NHS services. I originally posted this on the Bristol section but was advised to post it here too.

    Event page here:
  2. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I'd be really interested to read a report of the meeting if possible, thanks!
  3. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    If there is one I will post it here too. :)
  4. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

  5. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    It was a good meeting, and we are going to meet monthly as a working group. We have another BCWN members meeting this week so will discuss what information we will share publicly. I should have more to share by next week. :)
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  6. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    Thanks. Have chatted to some of the SolFed people as well. There's some of us here that might be working on it, albeit in a slightly different capacity.

    Look forward to hearing more.
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  7. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    The next open meeting is booked for the end of the month. The working group agreed to meet monthly. We are still in the process of information gathering at the moment on how things will be implemented, and then we can form a better picture on how to resist. We've not compiled a report yet, but once we have we'll look at putting it out there.

    Which SolFed group are you a member of? We have several members that are also involved with the Bristol SolFed group.
  8. nardy

    nardy Well-Known Member

    Some sick people overseas can't afford travel to the UK. Therefore I suggest a campaign for the government pay those expenses, perhaps through the foreign aid budget.
  9. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    the NHS isn't going to let people die in the streets But it can't afford to be seen as a freebie for everyone who can get to the UK.
    How NHS health tourism is costing us billions: a surgeon’s story | The Spectator is one view
    Rules allowing upfront charges for foreign users of NHS come into force this is another.

    not sure anyone knows the actual figure the actual idea of charging people who are not eligible is perfectly reasonable its what happens everywhere else getting it right is going to be tricky.
  10. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    nardy was simply exposing lefty idiocy apparently - the twat. Think it's best he keeps off this thread/people ignore.
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  11. LynnDoyleCooper

    LynnDoyleCooper Up against the wall motherfucker.

    I'm not in SolFed, there isn't a group where I live. Just chatted to some of them about this at the Bookfair.
  12. eoin_k

    eoin_k Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music

    Not to feed the troll, but the reality of the matter is that the NHS is wasting money on the introduction of charging for some of the most vulnerable people in our society. So, the NHS is worse off because of the administrative costs of trying to squeeze money out of people who haven't got anything... Ideological bullshit and the thin end of the wedge that will be used to try and introduce charges for the rest of us in the future.
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  13. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Yes, my midwife friend reckons that in maternity - where no services (antenatal, birth, and post-natal care) will be refused if the patient cannot pay anyway, but some people will now be asked to pay for care, and immigration checks will happen, the admin will cost more than is brought in, but also many women who either don't know their rights or are wary of immigration checks are:

    - just going to skip pre-natal appointments, and turn up at a&e or maternity centres for the birth or when a problem occurs, so problems aren't going to be caught at an early stage, birth plans aren't going to be made, etc

    - or are going to try and skip all maternity care (including birth care) - unless an emergency happens

    - and/or miss post-natal check-ups

    and so lots of issues which could be dealt with routinely will now not be seen until they become emergencies - so will cost the NHS lots more money as well as risking the lives of women and babies, and in some cases risking the spread of disease. It seriously doesn't make sense even from a right-wing perspective except as just straight up harrasment of migrants and a gradual easing in of charges for everyone.
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  14. nardy

    nardy Well-Known Member

    The easier you make access to services, the more takers you attract, thus the greater the overall cost.

    Those entitled to NHS care can already receive it. FFS, is the UK responsible for the care of the whole world?

    (Lefty answer: yes of course -- it's payback for colonialism.)

    (Righty answer: the current generation isn't responsible for the actions of their forepersons.)

    And so it goes on. Which is why I rarely post.

    Quick aside: if you saw tonight's TV prog about Scientology, you'll know why, having formed an opinion, you'll be unlikely to change. Which (again) is why I rarely post.
  15. crossthebreeze

    crossthebreeze Well-Known Member

    Did you read my post - they are doing these id checks and giving people a bill even for services which if people say "sorry can't pay" they'll give for free anyway (because they are seen as such important services for actually preventing emergencies (which cost more to deal with), saving lives, and stopping the spread of disease). Many people who work in the NHS think that between the admin costs and more cases becoming emergencies as people stop accessing routine care this policy will cost the NHS more money than it will save.

    Also, this will delay treatment for many people who are fully entitled to NHS care, as a significant minority of British people do not have a passport, or driving licence, or other id.

    And there is a public health issue if some UK residents cannot access or are scared off from accessing health services - as infectious diseases (such as TB) might not be diagnosed.
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  16. nogojones

    nogojones Well-Known Member

    I think you've answered your own question
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  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Please post even more rarely.
  18. Libertad

    Libertad Would it help?

    For which I am thankful.
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    are there any organisations campaigning against the internal nhs borders, dividing england from wales and scotland?
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  20. i_hate_beckham

    i_hate_beckham Him From A Village

    Anyone going to the one tomorrow? I'm tempted.
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  21. BristolEcho

    BristolEcho Well-Known Member

    You'd be more than welcome. I forgot to update this thread, but yes the next meeting is tomorrow at Hydra Bookshop 2pm.
  22. i_hate_beckham

    i_hate_beckham Him From A Village

    Turns out I'm not "more than welcome", sadly.

    From the Facebook invite you sent me and I didn't read fully: Please note: We intend to run this campaign according to the principles of our organisation. As such, this meeting is not open to senior managers, serving police officers, Prison officers, members of nationalist or fascist political organisations or members of the Socialist Workers Party and its various front groups.

    I joined the Socialist Party on Wednesday. :(
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017

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