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Nikon D80 announced.

mauvais said:
The D200's weather sealed ;)
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Sure, and if someone tries to nick it, probably solid enough to knock them out with.

Utility in hand-to-hand combat is nice I guess, but not the *first* thing I'd look for in a camera ;)
 
I dunno, I've had to send my D70 in once for water/mud inside the viewfinder, and I'm always bricking it about using or carrying the thing in the rain.

It will be heavier, but provided you don't go sticking a vertical grip on them, the cameras at that level that I've tried are perfectly acceptable.
 
I'm sure the D200 is more robust and well worth the extra dosh to anyone who will give it hard use, but it looks like the D80 is going to be pretty close photographically, which makes it quite an interesting prospect given the price.
 
snadge said:
Ah right, just RS saying it has the same as the D50 which in reality is a cut down D70 AF system, thought they wouldn't go backwards.
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They haven't gone backwards! The D50 is better than the D70 in some respects as it is a new generation of camera. There's an awful lot of simlair comments here:

http://www.phototakers.com/forum/ftopic55307.html

I don't know. I have been waiting for the D80 with quite some excitment, maybe to much because I'm not that thrilled. From what I see, it's more like an upgraded D50. Which isnt all bad but if the pricing in the US is about 1K, I think here in Australia it might ran at $1500 to $1700 body only. I can get the 200 (body only) for $2400. It's gunna be tough save the bit extra but I think the gap between the two is far bigger than the price gap. Dont get me wrong. I love my Nikons and had nothing else since I got my first one in 83 (FE2). That 10 pixel rating sounds good but its the only thing it has, that temps me.
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To be honest, I would be disapointed if it was much more than a D70s. Which would beg the question. Where does the D70s sit now? Maybe the 80 is the upgrade 50 and an upgrade 70 is down the road a bit.

Alex
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BTW, What are the main differences between the D50 and D70 in terms of image quality and exposure accuracy?

I thought that the D50 gave better images straight out of the camera, but you could probably get better images from the D70 if you were prepared to put the work in at post-processing.

riot sky said:
They haven't gone backwards! The D50 is better than the D70 in some respects as it is a new generation of camera.
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It'll be interesting to see what the big "problem/scare" is about the D80 when it comes out once the DPReview forum crowd start their testing!

Moire, back-focus, banding?

Actually my D70 seems to be very prone to moire. :mad:
 
Paul Russell said:
Actually my D70 seems to be very prone to moire. :mad:
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aha, that's what it's called - had similar effects on my D70 - particular when taking architectural photos with loads of patterns - it creates a wierd wave type effect as there isn't enough resolution to cope
 
Yes, architecture and clothing with weave (if that's right word) are prone to moire/maze pattern.

Quite a few of my pics have moire when you look at them at 100%. :mad:

Occasionally, a bit of gaussian blur in the affected are helps with mild moire in cloth.




disco_dave_2000 said:
aha, that's what it's called - had similar effects on my D70 - particular when taking architectural photos with loads of patterns - it creates a wierd wave type effect as there isn't enough resolution to cope
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I would think that moire pattern is inevitable on any system that uses a grid to produce an image when photographing a subject that has finely spaced lines on it. Television pictures often show moire patterns if a subject is wearing clothes with fine patterns on them because the image is composed of scanned lines.

You can make your own moire (sorry can't remember how to do e acute) pattern creator with a piece of clear acetate sheet or similar and a fine black marker pen.

Draw a series of evenly and closely spaced lines right across the acetate sheet. When the ink is perfectly dry, cut the sheet in half. Then place one half on top of the other over a sheet of white paper. Slowly rotate the top sheet and you will see the moire effect occurring.

If you want a better looking effect, produce the parallel lines on a computer and print on to standard photocopier acetate sheet

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Hocus. Thanks but the last thing I want to see is more moire!

:p


Hocus Eye. said:
You can make your own moire (sorry can't remember how to do e acute) pattern creator with a piece of clear acetate sheet or similar and a fine black marker pen.

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Paul Russell said:
Hocus. Thanks but the last thing I want to see is more moire!

:p
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Sorry to intrude on private grief Paul but I thought it might help others to understand what we were talking about. Anyway have a go at it, you know you want to. ;)
 
I've started to notice it quite a bit more on TV recently -- like in football goal nettings.

I was wandering round some county shows recently with a camera, and everyone was wearing tweed. Walking moire nightmare!

Hocus Eye. said:
Sorry to intrude on private grief Paul but I thought it might help others to understand what we were talking about. Anyway have a go at it, you know you want to. ;)
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Paul Russell said:
BTW, What are the main differences between the D50 and D70 in terms of image quality and exposure accuracy?

I thought that the D50 gave better images straight out of the camera, but you could probably get better images from the D70 if you were prepared to put the work in at post-processing.



It'll be interesting to see what the big "problem/scare" is about the D80 when it comes out once the DPReview forum crowd start their testing!

Moire, back-focus, banding?

Actually my D70 seems to be very prone to moire. :mad:
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Side by side I find the images less nosier than the D70 and the 350, and the metering seems to be more accurate. I can't really say for sure as I have only played with the D70 for about twenty minutes, but the D50 does seem to take pictures that are considerbly less noisy than the D70 and the 350. I am not sure if this is down to a superior sensor or more aggressive aggressive noise reduction algorithms!

Six and two threes. I can send you some NEF files if you like?
 
Paul Russell said:
Hocus. Thanks but the last thing I want to see is more moire!
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Especially if, like my girlfriend, you're astigmatic. It does really weird things to her head. :D
 
riot sky said:
Six and two threes. I can send you some NEF files if you like?
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Thanks, but I'm on quite a slow net connection.

When I do my pixel peeping, I usually download the full-size jpegs from DP review.

Talking of DP Review, Pentax and Olympus have just announced 10 megapixel SLRs.
 
From what I've read there's been quite a slow up take on them, most people seem to be holding onto the D50/D70, or selling their D70 to buy a D50!


Talk of D60s
 
Looks tiny! I want one :)

Love the view finder:

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But I am more than happy with my D50!
 
Having read through the thread with great interest and some confusion i have to ask...

If the D50, D70 and D80 were all released on the market today which one would you buy?

I picked up the D80 today and loved the feel of it. Its a proper sturdy camera with beautful grip with 10mp to boot.

As for all this talk of sensors (the part that confused me) im not sure what that means which is kind of why i asked the question. after reading this thread im kind of considering the D50 route and spending the rest on a lens, which seems wise especially since they keep bringing out new models.
 
After reading some of the frothing 5 star reviews, I'm changing my mind and getting v-e-r-y interested in this camera.... I wonder how much I could get for my D70?

Hmmmmm <editor goes off to drool a little more over the D80)
 
I'm still a little disappointed that the D80 still doesn't offer any metering on manual lenses.

The D200 however, does. D200 is around £300 more than the D80... (if buying in the US) Maybe i'll save a little more, and wait until late next year. Value of a D70 body? around 250 - 300 tops, and falling fast.
 
One gripe about the D80 seems to be a tendency to overexpose.

They were going on about it in the DPReview forum; thought it might just be one of those rumours that spread. But I saw exactly the same point made in a review in one of the printed camera mags today (can't remember which one).

Seems like Nikon listened to the complaints about the D70's tendency to underexpose, and then went completely the other way.

BTW, DPReview have test shots for the 10-megapixel Olympus E-400 SLR up now. At first glance, the shots look good and the camera apparently handles very well. It's a tiny SLR.

Unfortunately DPReview won't be doing a full review cos the camera won't be available in the USA.
 
Paul Russell said:
BTW, DPReview have test shots for the 10-megapixel Olympus E-400 SLR up now. At first glance, the shots look good and the camera apparently handles very well. It's a tiny SLR..
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I'm loving the small size of the Olympus, but I'm not so keen on having to abandon ship on my Nikon SB800 flashgun and collection of Nikon lenses.

It's not as if the Olympus dSLR will work decently with any of my old Olympus lenses either... :(
 
Yes -- 60% of DPReview's audience is in North America, so they can't justify the time/resources to review a camera (Olympus E-400 SLR) that most of their readers won't be able to buy!

DarthSydodyas said:
Did DPReview explain and/or justify this decision? :confused:
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