Nicky Cruz/TRUCE Gig "Un-Banned" At Police Insistence?
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
but if you are gay, you do tend to automatically commit homophobic acts. The ONLy reason why he drew the distinction is the same ones xtian groups in colleges do it to preserve their funding; so they can argue 'hate the sin, love the sinner'. And it's balls. put yourselves in a gay man's shoes; this is someone describing something crucial to his very being - his expressed and explored sexuality - as 'evil'.TAE said:
How would you view that, if you were gay?
Paul Marsh
NeitherWashingtonNorMecca
Picket the Ocean - Thursday and Friday 7pm
Saw this on Indymedia:
The gig is definitely on. I think people who disagree with this disgraceful event should demonstrate outside The Ocean, opposite Hackney Town Hall on Thursday and Friday evening from 7 onwards.
Here in Hackney, we're in the crazy position where the police invite a bible belt homophobc evangelical preacher to speak publically in Hackney, high-ranking evangelical christian police officers then organise and act as spokesmen for the event, the police then decide they are only body who can decide whether he can perform or not and the police will I'm sure make up a large presence outside The Ocean tonight. That's scary.
Saw this on Indymedia:
The gig is definitely on. I think people who disagree with this disgraceful event should demonstrate outside The Ocean, opposite Hackney Town Hall on Thursday and Friday evening from 7 onwards.
Here in Hackney, we're in the crazy position where the police invite a bible belt homophobc evangelical preacher to speak publically in Hackney, high-ranking evangelical christian police officers then organise and act as spokesmen for the event, the police then decide they are only body who can decide whether he can perform or not and the police will I'm sure make up a large presence outside The Ocean tonight. That's scary.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I'll picket, but do you know any group who is organising the protest?Paul Marsh said:
Paul Marsh
NeitherWashingtonNorMecca
phildwyer said:
I was merely quoting what someone had put on Indymedia - I think they meant bible belt as in his religious beliefs, not his home town!
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Paul Marsh said:
On the basis of thsi drivel alone he shouldn'ty be getting any kind of community funding, FFS.
Paul Marsh said:
He's very different from real Bible belters though, plays up his NYC Puerto Rican background quite a lot. When he spoke at our school he mostly just told very tall tales about his gangster days (claimed to have cut someone's arm off with a machete among other dubious stories) and then appealed to anyone who felt the spirit move them to come forward and be saved. No-one felt the spirit. I remember the teachers pissing themselves laughing.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Hmm, maybe he was hoping to get a few of the kids up to feel his 'spirit'.
In Bloom said:You can practically feel the love of Christ in every syllable, can't you?Nicky Cruz said:
I hadn't noticed that sentence.
My understanding is that Romans 1 : 18 - 32 is about all humans throughout history. This becomes evident in Chapter 2 where Paul has a go at self righteous christians who think they are better than others.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Personally I think it's unsurprising and far from uncommon that evangelical groups hold these kinds of views about abortion and gay people.
It seems to me that in the US politics and religion go hand in hand in a way that we, thank goodness, don't tend to do here in the UK, and that this kind of bigotry is much moe acceptable in the US
For me the issue is not so much the man's veiws, which no matter how abhorrent I find them, he is entitled to. It's the fact that he's getting public money to do this that is completely wrong.
Has anyone written to Private Eye about this?
It seems to me that in the US politics and religion go hand in hand in a way that we, thank goodness, don't tend to do here in the UK, and that this kind of bigotry is much moe acceptable in the US
For me the issue is not so much the man's veiws, which no matter how abhorrent I find them, he is entitled to. It's the fact that he's getting public money to do this that is completely wrong.
Has anyone written to Private Eye about this?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
but it is precisely those self-righteous xtians - people like supt Leroy Logan - who are aligned with Nicky Cruz. he is the ultimate example of a hectoring, strident xtian bigotTAE said:
I hadn't noticed that sentence.
My understanding is that Romans 1 : 18 - 32 is about all humans throughout history. This becomes evident in Chapter 2 where Paul has a go at self righteous christians who think they are better than others.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Does anyone know what the budget is for this little venture?
Are the Hackney police paying for it?
Are the Hackney police paying for it?
Leaving aside whether or not that's true, it's fairly obvious that that's not what Cruz is getting at here.TAE said:
I hadn't noticed that sentence.
My understanding is that Romans 1 : 18 - 32 is about all humans throughout history. This becomes evident in Chapter 2 where Paul has a go at self righteous christians who think they are better than others.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Thank you very much for your query concerning Nicky Cruz and TRUCE. We would like to make it clear that Hackney Council has not banned either Nicky Cruz or TRUCE from attending Ocean, but that we have been working very closely with Hackney Police to make sure the event can go ahead in a way that respects the needs and beliefs of all Hackney’s communities.
Below is a statement from the Borough Commander Chief Superintendent Simon Pountain, explaining the action the police have taken.
With best wishes
Mayor Jules Pipe
Penny Thompson, Chief Executive
"After careful deliberation, during which time I have worked closely with representatives of both the Church and the Lesbian and Gay community in Hackney, I have decided not to oppose the events at Ocean this week, where youths from the local community will be showcasing their experiences of the TRUCE initiative to parents and visitors.
"I delayed making this decision until I was sure that Nicky Cruz had been spoken to, in person, about the values of the Metropolitan Police and Hackney Council, and that the assurances we sought had been given unequivocally.
"Subsequently, I am reassured that the sole purpose of this event is one for our young people, as TRUCE have demonstrated their understanding and shared their expertise in the growing issue of youth gang culture.
"We are committed to working with all our communities to make Hackney a safer place, and the overriding principle in this case is the benefit that has been given to our young people. I will work with all involved and endeavour to ensure that the event goes ahead peacefully, in the hope that it is used to showcase the encouraging efforts from the young people of Hackney."
It may be worth sending email of complaint, along with the link to the webpage with the homophobic content to
Ben.bradley@(nospam)hackney.gov.uk
as ben bradley is the person dealing with this at the mayor's office
personally I wonder how the police and the council can support this when they have clearly documented Equal Opportunities policies and also how the 'assurances' gained from my Cruz square up with the homophobic content on his website
Below is a statement from the Borough Commander Chief Superintendent Simon Pountain, explaining the action the police have taken.
With best wishes
Mayor Jules Pipe
Penny Thompson, Chief Executive
"After careful deliberation, during which time I have worked closely with representatives of both the Church and the Lesbian and Gay community in Hackney, I have decided not to oppose the events at Ocean this week, where youths from the local community will be showcasing their experiences of the TRUCE initiative to parents and visitors.
"I delayed making this decision until I was sure that Nicky Cruz had been spoken to, in person, about the values of the Metropolitan Police and Hackney Council, and that the assurances we sought had been given unequivocally.
"Subsequently, I am reassured that the sole purpose of this event is one for our young people, as TRUCE have demonstrated their understanding and shared their expertise in the growing issue of youth gang culture.
"We are committed to working with all our communities to make Hackney a safer place, and the overriding principle in this case is the benefit that has been given to our young people. I will work with all involved and endeavour to ensure that the event goes ahead peacefully, in the hope that it is used to showcase the encouraging efforts from the young people of Hackney."
It may be worth sending email of complaint, along with the link to the webpage with the homophobic content to
Ben.bradley@(nospam)hackney.gov.uk
as ben bradley is the person dealing with this at the mayor's office
personally I wonder how the police and the council can support this when they have clearly documented Equal Opportunities policies and also how the 'assurances' gained from my Cruz square up with the homophobic content on his website
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
The Metropolitan Police Service seeks to employ a workforce which reflects the diversity of background and culture within which we operate and to provide a working environment free from any form of harassment, intimidation, victimisation or unjustifiable discrimination.
We shall treat individuals openly and fairly with dignity and respect. We shall value their contribution towards providing a quality service to the people of London.
All members of the Service will demonstrate their commitment to these principles and will challenge behaviour which is unacceptable, in particular on the grounds of nationality, gender, race, colour, ethnic or national origin, disability, sexual orientation or marital status.
We shall ensure that our policies and procedures reflect these principles.
http://www.met.police.uk/equal_opportunities/
We shall treat individuals openly and fairly with dignity and respect. We shall value their contribution towards providing a quality service to the people of London.
All members of the Service will demonstrate their commitment to these principles and will challenge behaviour which is unacceptable, in particular on the grounds of nationality, gender, race, colour, ethnic or national origin, disability, sexual orientation or marital status.
We shall ensure that our policies and procedures reflect these principles.
http://www.met.police.uk/equal_opportunities/
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
Interestingly Hackey Council's Equal Opps statement doesn't include any mention of sexuality
http://www.hackney.gov.uk/index.htm/xh-yc-equalities.htm
http://www.hackney.gov.uk/index.htm/xh-yc-equalities.htm
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
right. i'm picketing tonight. any others? anyone know of a decent leaflet for this?
Paul Marsh
NeitherWashingtonNorMecca
Clearly the Met and Hackney Council aim to ignore this kid of shit... http://www.silenceisnotgolden.org/newsitems.aspx
Funnily enough there's a few contact numbers on that website that could be invaluable at tonites 'performance' by Mr.Cruz et al..
Funnily enough there's a few contact numbers on that website that could be invaluable at tonites 'performance' by Mr.Cruz et al..
There will be no second chance!
some illustrations about what scum these people are .. i especially like the pro tithe bit .. we were still rioting about tithes in the 20th century in this country!
This Bible record of creation thus rules out the evolutionary philosophy which states that all forms of life have come into being by gradual, progressive evolution carried on by resident forces. It also rules out any evolutionary origin for the human race, since no theory of evolution, including theistic evolution, can explain the origin of the male before the female, nor can it explain how a man could evolve into a woman.
In the face of this moral erosion the church calls all Christian adults and parents to abstain from social dancing for themselves and their children in light of God’s desire for His people to be a separate and holy people (2 Cor. 6:16-18, Titus 2:11-14, 2 Tim. 2:21-22).
Section 15. The Final Judgment. There will be a final judgment in which the wicked dead will be raised and judged according to their works. Whosoever is not found written in the Book of Life, together with the devil and his angels, the beast and the false prophet, will be consigned to everlasting punishment in "the fiery lake of burning sulfur: This is the second death" (Revelation 21:8; compare Matthew 25:46; Mark 9:43—48; Revelation 19:20; 20:11—15).
Here we note that the punishment is with the devil and his angels, that it is everlasting, and that it is in the lake of fire which is called the second death. This paper will attempt to give further definition and explanation to each of these points.
None of these passages indicates any promise of rehabilitation or restoration once the final judgment is pronounced. No sanctifying agent is revealed in connection with the lake of fire or Gehenna. The fire is parallel to the "worm" of Mark 9:44,46,48 (KJV). It is looked at as punitive, not purifying. There will be no second chance. This should stir the Church to proclaim the message, "Now is the day of salvation" (2 Corinthians 6:2).
Today in our American culture, many people have turned their adoration from the Creator to the creation. They have gone to the extreme and are now worshiping the earth. We believe worship of the land, the sea, the oceans, and other attributes of the earth is an abomination to God–the Creator.
Sickness and disease, including AIDS and HIV, are present in our world because of Adam and Eve’s sin. Satan, not God, desires to use AIDS as a means of destroying millions of youth and adults around the world. What Satan plans to use for man’s destruction, God can use to bring glory to himself.
Homosexual Behavior Is Sin.
The Assemblies of God has always been a proponent of tithing (or giving one-tenth of one’s personal income to support the work of God). We believe tithing is a recognition that everything we have comes from God. The practice checks our greed, promotes personal discipline and thrift, testifies to our faith, promotes God’s work in the world, and alleviates human need. While we do not believe tithing to be a condition for salvation, we do believe it is a very important biblical model, one which should set the minimal standard for Christian giving for people in all income ranges.
some illustrations about what scum these people are .. i especially like the pro tithe bit .. we were still rioting about tithes in the 20th century in this country!
This Bible record of creation thus rules out the evolutionary philosophy which states that all forms of life have come into being by gradual, progressive evolution carried on by resident forces. It also rules out any evolutionary origin for the human race, since no theory of evolution, including theistic evolution, can explain the origin of the male before the female, nor can it explain how a man could evolve into a woman.
In the face of this moral erosion the church calls all Christian adults and parents to abstain from social dancing for themselves and their children in light of God’s desire for His people to be a separate and holy people (2 Cor. 6:16-18, Titus 2:11-14, 2 Tim. 2:21-22).
Section 15. The Final Judgment. There will be a final judgment in which the wicked dead will be raised and judged according to their works. Whosoever is not found written in the Book of Life, together with the devil and his angels, the beast and the false prophet, will be consigned to everlasting punishment in "the fiery lake of burning sulfur: This is the second death" (Revelation 21:8; compare Matthew 25:46; Mark 9:43—48; Revelation 19:20; 20:11—15).
Here we note that the punishment is with the devil and his angels, that it is everlasting, and that it is in the lake of fire which is called the second death. This paper will attempt to give further definition and explanation to each of these points.
None of these passages indicates any promise of rehabilitation or restoration once the final judgment is pronounced. No sanctifying agent is revealed in connection with the lake of fire or Gehenna. The fire is parallel to the "worm" of Mark 9:44,46,48 (KJV). It is looked at as punitive, not purifying. There will be no second chance. This should stir the Church to proclaim the message, "Now is the day of salvation" (2 Corinthians 6:2).
Today in our American culture, many people have turned their adoration from the Creator to the creation. They have gone to the extreme and are now worshiping the earth. We believe worship of the land, the sea, the oceans, and other attributes of the earth is an abomination to God–the Creator.
Sickness and disease, including AIDS and HIV, are present in our world because of Adam and Eve’s sin. Satan, not God, desires to use AIDS as a means of destroying millions of youth and adults around the world. What Satan plans to use for man’s destruction, God can use to bring glory to himself.
Homosexual Behavior Is Sin.
The Assemblies of God has always been a proponent of tithing (or giving one-tenth of one’s personal income to support the work of God). We believe tithing is a recognition that everything we have comes from God. The practice checks our greed, promotes personal discipline and thrift, testifies to our faith, promotes God’s work in the world, and alleviates human need. While we do not believe tithing to be a condition for salvation, we do believe it is a very important biblical model, one which should set the minimal standard for Christian giving for people in all income ranges.
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