Nick Griffin's car trashed?

[blamblam]

I got the impression that a large meeting where the party leader was speaking would be public, sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick, like.

Has he ever spoken in public at a Party meeting? I don't think he has, and hopefully in this country will never be able to.

editor: you say people (anti-fascists) shouldn't use violence (against fascists) cos it doesn't help the "democratic process"
I ask you if a certain group of people (anti-fascists) were justified in using violence (against fascists) which went against the "democratic process".

You can't see any comparison there at all?

 

[layabout]

Considering the large numbers of BNP members who have links to the NF and the history of violent anti-semitism and holocaust denial among their leadership, do you really think that the comparison exists? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?

Large numbers?

Care to give me a figure?

Should we not have put thousands of Labour supporters into camps during the 70's for their links to communism?

 

[flimsier]

People like you are inflamming the growth of the BNP.

You keep saying this, with no evidence whatsoever. When there has been effective opposition to fascists, they have been stopped. When there hasn't been, they have grown.

People like you apologising for them do them more good than anyone.

 

[X-77]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

Dunno about that: I might be wrong but aren't they currently getting the biggest vote they've ever received?

On June 10th last year they got over 800,000 votes and that's not including all the ones that were unintentionally spoiled. I find that rather worrying.

 

[In Bloom]

Should we not have put thousands of Labour supporters into camps during the 70's for their links to communism?

I think that was the plan that your ilk had going.

 

[neilh]

I'd oppose them with argument and policy, not with random vandalism, often at the expense of innocent third parties.

is there any evidence to back up the claim that often innocent third parties are accidently targeted by antifa or similar organisations? i got the impreswsion folk carrying out this kind of thing were normally careful to avoid this.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd oppose them with argument and policy, not with random vandalism, often at the expense of innocent third parties.

did you see nick griffin on newsnight some years ago?

 

[flimsier]

Layabout: why haven't the BNP tried to publicise this happening on their website.

Or, for that matter, any successful no platform action?

I mean, they would, wouldn't they, if 'people like me' were the best at recruiting for the BNP?

Or are you talking out of your arse? Again.

 

[layabout]

You keep saying this, with no evidence whatsoever. When there has been effective opposition to fascists, they have been stopped. When there hasn't been, they have grown.

People like you apologising for them do them more good than anyone.

What are you talking about?

They'll have that meeting again. That action has just made up the minds of hundreds of people of are on the verge of voting for the BNP.

The only damage it's done is fuck up a few people's no claims bonuses. Hardly a big step backwards for the BNP, is it?

 

[flimsier]

They'll have that meeting again. That action has just made up the minds of hundreds of people of are on the verge of voting for the BNP.

How do you know that?

 

[layabout]

Layabout: why haven't the BNP tried to publicise this happening on their website.

Or, for that matter, any successful no platform action?

I mean, they would, wouldn't they, if 'people like me' were the best at recruiting for the BNP?

Or are you talking out of your arse? Again.

Why would I know why they haven't published it on their website?

I don't jump to random conclusions like you do. There could be loads of reasons why they haven't published it.

 

[Pickman's model]

The only damage it's done is fuck up a few people's no claims bonuses.

apparently not - see above.

 

[Fuchs66]

How do you know that? How do you know that it didn't scare a couple off from becoming active in the BNP?

If anything it probably encouraged them to stay, the BNP exists through having their black/white (no pun intended) view of the world and the activists who went apeshit on the cars helped keep that blinkered view going. It's very difficult directly fighting such idiots the best way is dont allow them to have the attention they crave this doesnt mean ignore the problem, just dont over inflate it, eventually they'll choke on their own shite.

 

[flimsier]

Why would I know why they haven't published it on their website?

I don't jump to random conclusions like you do. There could be loads of reasons why they haven't published it.

Like?

And why no other successful no-platform action? I mean, you seem to think it helps them. Surely they'd use it!?

 

[editor]

did you see nick griffin on newsnight some years ago?

FFS: I can't be arsed with this.

If you're incapable of making a coherent point, I see no point in entertaining your tedious outpourings any further.

 

[cockneyrebel]

Your ugly mug should be put up on redwatch and all your personal possesions smashed up. You should be stopped from going about your business, as it's become clear now that you want all white people gassed. You may deny this, but it's a long term plan I'm sure of.

You fucking idiot. You're no different from David Copeland.

Editor as layabout is so fond of reporting posts, I want to report this one to you. Is it ok in the FAQ to compare someone to a homophobic, fascist bomber and imply that's what they want to do?

Layabout I've got quite a nice looking mug as it goes, and it was on red watch as far a I know You really are a nut job, aren't you....

Couple goes to BNP meeting worried about the state of Britain. Have fears confirmed by actions outside. See that BNP are respectable compared to thugs outside. Sign up on the line. Just a thought.

Couple goes to BNP meeting. Get bricks thrown at them. Thinks fuck that for a laugh, I'm not getting involved with this and never come back. And as icepick said earlier, when the BNP were physically intimidated in the past they couldn't operate at all....

 

[neilh]

The only damage it's done is fuck up a few people's no claims bonuses. Hardly a big step backwards for the BNP, is it?

well the common impression of most folk here seems to be it prob cost them in the area of a grand; if so that's a lot of leaflets, stickers, rooms booked for meetings etc that could have been done with that money, and the knowledge that theres no reason to think the same might happen at the next meeting.

 

[Pickman's model]

editor

it is foolish to debate and reason with fascists for at least two reasons:

1) you give them a credibility they don't deserve;

2) there's the chance they'll smack you if you win the argument.

 

[layabout]

How do you know that?

Flimsier. I'm not going to post up a 2 page fucking post about the mentality of people on the verge of voting for the BNP, when I'm paid back with a 1 sentance retort olong the lines of "Layabout still supports the BNP".

 

[flimsier]

I agree with Pickman's model.

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree with Pickman's model.

it could be worse! you could be agreeing with layabout!

 

[editor]

2) there's the chance they'll smack you if you win the argument.

Isn't there a chance of being smacked in the face if you lob bricks at their cars?

So when was the last time you mixed it up with a bit of direct action then?

 

[flimsier]

Flimsier. I'm not going to post up a 2 page fucking post about the mentality of people on the verge of voting for the BNP, when I'm paid back with a 1 sentance retort olong the lines of "Layabout still supports the BNP".

So you don't know that, and can't give reasons why?

In addition, you can't give a reason why the BNP don't put up reports of events which you say are so useful to them? For example, when their general election press conference was stopped in 1997, the only people who reported it was the BBC and the left wing press - the BNP didn't bother? Why, if it was going to be so counter-productive to us and good for them?

This thread is already full of examples where action is productive in stopping fascists and the BNP. You just come out with unsubstantiated bullshit. Again.

 

[rednblack]

this meeting was attended by bnp top brass and election candidates - hardened fascists all

the cars did belong to them - this is known thanks to classic intelligence gathering techniques, one of the cars even had a personalised bnp plate

according to scouts in the area an hour and a half after the attack, the bnpers were still standing around staring at their cars and looking pissed off - so it obviously disrupted their meeting quite badly

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn't there a chance of being smacked in the face if you lob bricks at their cars?

it's a risk worth taking. having been on the receiving end of volleys of bottles thrown by c18 and the bnp in the past, i think it's only a pity one of the fash didn't try to head one of the rocks back.

 

[layabout]

well the common impression of most folk here seems to be it prob cost them in the area of a grand; if so that's a lot of leaflets, stickers, rooms booked for meetings etc that could have been done with that money, and the knowledge that theres no reason to think the same might happen at the next meeting.

You don't get it do you?

The cars are personal property. They haven't stopped thousands of pounds being spent on that party's activities with those actions.

 

[cockneyrebel]

It's very difficult directly fighting such idiots the best way is dont allow them to have the attention they crave this doesnt mean ignore the problem, just dont over inflate it, eventually they'll choke on their own shite.

If that was the case why have facist organisations come to power in various countries around the world and this tactic has always proved futile.

 

[flimsier]

Edited: answer the other questions first.

 

[neilh]

Isn't there a chance of being smacked in the face if you lob bricks at their cars?

So when was the last time you mixed it up with a bit of direct action then?

so it was their cars then and not just random ones? i thought this would be the case.
i don't see the relevance, i thought this was direct action, whether it's direct action you agree with or not, and i'm sure just like the rest of us, some of the folk disrupting that meeting do do other things, others don't; there's no reason fighting fascists and doing other political stuff needs to be exclusive.

 

[Pickman's model]

So when was the last time you mixed it up with a bit of direct action then?

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