Nick Griffin's car trashed?

[Pickman's model]

Nah surely most won't even be covered for vandalism will they.

so they'll be quids out! even better!

 

[Pickman's model]

4. Making it difficult for fascists to organise in a community is a Good Thing.

they'll find that harder to do, if they can't drive!

 

[blamblam]

so they'll be quids out! even better!

What say 3 smashed windows would cost a grand to fix on most cars - how many meetings could you afford to attend that cost you a grand a time?

 

[flimsier]

Surely it is about effectiveness of the violence, not delicate matters of appropriateness? The acts of vandalism achieved nothing IMO.

There's an argument that they may have that it's of limited effectiveness.

It's a better argument though, to the liberal 'you're as bad as them' rubbish.

 

[In Bloom]

Personally I'm a bit ambivalent about this one. Its one thing to boot the fash off the streets, but smashing cars up outside a public meeting (which might not have all belonged to the fash) strikes me as a bit counterproductive.

 

[flimsier]

But will this action make some people sympathetic to the BNP, and fear antifa? Surely it should be the other way round?

Don't be such a fuckwit.

 

[silentNate]

But will this action make some people sympathetic to the BNP, and fear antifa? Surely it should be the other way round?

If this action is widely publicised then people will start asking why antifa have done this whilst questioning why people buy into the bnp's lies..
Interestingly the antifa site also mentions a case of, "75 Turkish anarchists prevent 200 fascists from holding a demonstartion by throwing rocks at them. A week later the fascists mobilise to hold another demonstartion, but are prevented when 500 people come turn up to stop them".
Heres hoping that next time antifa have way more protestors and that the bnp are forced back to meetings of three men and a dog in the back of a pub...
Lets hope fascism doesn't look so glamorous now.

 

[blamblam]

In Bloom - who said it was a public meeting?

 

[editor]

Do you not think that if the bnp are allowed to continue unchallenged then one day it will be us facing the bricks?

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

 

[silentNate]

Personally I'm a bit ambivalent about this one. Its one thing to boot the fash off the streets, but smashing cars up outside a public meeting (which might not have all belonged to the fash) strikes me as a bit counterproductive.

Mate, I ain't turning up to any meeting where my shiney new motor might get it

 

[neilh]

Personally I'm a bit ambivalent about this one. Its one thing to boot the fash off the streets, but smashing cars up outside a public meeting (which might not have all belonged to the fash) strikes me as a bit counterproductive.

i hope/suppose they wouldn't have smashed car windows unless they were certain they were cars of bnp folk. i don't think they'd be stupid enough to just smash random car windows without being sure first.

 

[editor]

. Sometimes it is appropriate, sometimes not. You feel it is appropriate in apprehending those society deems "criminal", but not in preventing the spreading of fascism.

How does a group of unknown people lobbing bricks at random empty cars and then legging it prevent the spread of fascism?

How did they know who the cars belonged to anyway?
Or is having the misfortune of parking your car in the proximity of a BNP meeting just cause to get it smashed up?

 

[kropotkin]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

As it seems they were largely anarchist, I don't think they have much interest in aiding representative democracy at all. They did, however, have a direct effect on the organising capacity and levels of fear of BNP organisers.

 

[blamblam]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

Editor, a serious question:
Do you think that because the nazis "democratically" won the election in Germany that people shouldn't have fought to get rid of them?

 

[kropotkin]

How does a group of unknown people lobbing bricks at random empty cars and then legging it prevent the spread of fascism?

How did they know who the cars belonged to anyway?
Or is having the misfortune of parking your car in the proximity of a BNP meeting just cause to get it smashed up?

nice use of the word "random" there. What in the article lead you to think it was "random"?

 

[Pickman's model]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

you weren't paying attention to the recent elections of bnp councillors, then, or the large number of votes they received in the mayoral and european elections last year?

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

i don't believe that you've thought this one through, as it's my understanding that the people involved in antifa don't believe in the so-called democratic process to which you allude.

 

[neilh]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

but surely how well they do at the ballot box will be related to how easily they can organise in areas, so this poor performance in elections could be because of stuff like this. and whereas i don't believe there's much of a democratic process in britain, if they have the opportunity to organise easily without hassle, and so manage to get any success, i'm sure we'd see even less.

 

[Pickman's model]

How does a group of unknown people lobbing bricks at random empty cars and then legging it prevent the spread of fascism?

How did they know who the cars belonged to anyway?

spotters?

 

[Poi E]

How do you know that? How do you know that it didn't scare a couple off from becoming active in the BNP?

Couple goes to BNP meeting worried about the state of Britain. Have fears confirmed by actions outside. See that BNP are respectable compared to thugs outside. Sign up on the line. Just a thought.

 

[silentNate]

They are challenged. At the ballot box where they don't do awfully well.

But remind me how people bravely lobbing bricks at empty cars and then legging it are somehow aiding the democratic process.

It wasn't a public or democratic meeting and theirs isn't a democratic or public agenda.

 

[editor]

Do you think that because the nazis "democratically" won the election in Germany that people shouldn't have fought to get rid of them?

Try as I might, I simply can't find any meaningful comparisons there.

 

[In Bloom]

In Bloom - who said it was a public meeting?

I got the impression that a large meeting where the party leader was speaking would be public, sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick, like.

 

[layabout]

But that's the point. Given half the chance they would. Given power, as flimsier said, then we would be up against the war or in death camps.

Physically taking on the fascists is self-defence against their long term aims and medium term methods.

Your ugly mug should be put up on redwatch and all your personal possesions smashed up. You should be stopped from going about your business, as it's become clear now that you want all white people gassed. You may deny this, but it's a long term plan I'm sure of.


You fucking idiot. You're no different from David Copeland.

 

[flimsier]

Try as I might, I simply can't find any meaningful comparisons there.

Why not. The BNP want to follow in Hitler's footsteps. They are fascists. There's a comparison.

 

[Pickman's model]

Try as I might, I simply can't find any meaningful comparisons there.

you say they are challenged at the ballot box. what if they won? and with the pisspoor electoral system in this country, a party which receives a minority of the vote can win, with a large majority - look at the labour party, for example. if they won, would you oppose them? or would you say the people had spoken?

 

[editor]

i don't believe that you've thought this one through, as it's my understanding that the people involved in antifa don't believe in the so-called democratic process to which you allude.

Am I talking to the people involved in antifa here, picky pedant boiy?

No. I'm not.

 

[In Bloom]

Your ugly mug should be put up on redwatch and all your personal possesions smashed up. You should be stopped from going about your business, as it's become clear now that you want all white people gassed. You may deny this, but it's a long term plan I'm sure of.


You fucking idiot. You're no different from David Copeland.

Considering the large numbers of BNP members who have links to the NF and the history of violent anti-semitism and holocaust denial among their leadership, do you really think that the comparison exists? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?

 

[layabout]

Why not. The BNP want to follow in Hitler's footsteps. They are fascists. There's a comparison.

Flimsier. Can you get your head out of the ceiling or stop sniffing the felt tip pens. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that the BNP want to follow the footsteps of the Nazis?

People like you are inflamming the growth of the BNP. You are not going to stop a single person from becoming a member or voting for the BNP by smashing up cars.

 

[editor]

you say they are challenged at the ballot box. what if they won?

Maybe I should follow the lead discussed here and just throw even more bricks at cars, eh?

I'd oppose them with argument and policy, not with random vandalism, often at the expense of innocent third parties.

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I talking to the people involved in antifa here, picky pedant boiy?

No. I'm not.